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skipdog 10-27-2014 03:22 PM

PSA: Camp Rules have changed, most people still unaware
 
Since I've now had multiple instances in-game where people seem very unaware of the new changes Deru has made to the server's rules, I figured I would make this post.

Here is Derubael's recent ruling:

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Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change the list after telling you who is next. Something that on one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next on the list or if you can be next on the list. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be placed next on the list and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The next person on the camp list had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

These are some big changes and I still believe 95% of the server is not aware of these big changes going by most of the interactions I have had in game. I'll never understand the whole 'One staff member making big sweeping changes to rules that have been in place for years' thing, but it is what it is!

Swish 10-27-2014 03:28 PM

I feel for the GMs having to be extra careful what they say because of people like this who will quote them and dissect every word in every sentence.

Bring back 2010, the server wasn't full of camp lawyers.

Ducket 10-27-2014 03:29 PM

So does that mean any solo camp LORE or not is forfeited after obtaining the item?

Ele 10-27-2014 03:53 PM

Nah, dog I'm camping Mantle of Mirth and Bracer of Vajeen not Earring of Essence.

Oh my guildie that popped in for 1.5 minutes and stood next to me before gating?

He just wanted to stop by and say hello.

skipdog 10-27-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducket (Post 1659037)
So does that mean any solo camp LORE or not is forfeited after obtaining the item?

Just going by what Deru has said, yes.

Again, this is why I made this PSA post. Most people in-game won't believe these changes happened and it's hard to direct them to a GM post buried deep in another thread.

skipdog 10-27-2014 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ele (Post 1659060)
Nah, dog I'm camping Mantle of Mirth and Bracer of Vajeen not Earring of Essence.

Oh my guildie that popped in for 1.5 minutes and stood next to me before gating?

He just wanted to stop by and say hello.

I know you are trying to point out a way to exploit the ruling, but if you claim that, then when Mantle drops, you lose the camp. Derubael even made a post encouraging people to /petition to find out if the item drops(if you suspect it did and the person camping is behind dishonest). I don't understand why Derubael wants to create a lot of extra work for the GMs, but it is what it is!

Uuruk 10-27-2014 04:05 PM

Gms dont have time for crybabies like skipdog petitioning every time the person holding the camp kills a mob. Shit classic...get the fuck out.

skipdog 10-27-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Uuruk (Post 1659084)
Gms dont have time for crybabies like skipdog petitioning every time the person holding the camp kills a mob. Shit classic...get the fuck out.

I'm a crybaby? What are you talking about? I'm not even in favor of these rules, lol. I think its full on retarded to have to petition a GM to find out what item somebody looted just to make sure somebody else isn't breaking these newly created rules.

Ando 10-27-2014 04:28 PM

ITT People should stop rule-lawyering and poopsocking.

Nirgon 10-27-2014 04:28 PM

PSA get bent


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