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Evasive Disc vs. Defensive Disc
Recently hit 55 and have Defensive Discipline. I am told this is even better than evasive discipline, but I have no idea why. Anyone care to give me some info so I know when to use which?
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I think you're supposed to use evasive most of the time. Defensive is only for stuff like VP dragons or other very hard-hitting bosses. I'm no warrior, but this is what I hear warriors say :)
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It is entirely up to mob DI.
But idiots rule: if it has a proc, evasive. Nothing pre velious matters enough to care which you use. |
Stupid rule of thumb that was also used was evasive on everything except Bee Queen and a few VP dragons.
Long story short if something has a chance of almost one rounding you (aka very hard hitting mobs) then defensive can be a tad safer otherwise evasive is the go to disc. also as said above it has to do with damage interval but still evasive will be your go to disc |
Good info, thanks. From what it seems, Defensive tends to make the hits that DO hit me deal closer to minimal damage, but it's better just to avoid them all together.
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It's entirely dependent on mob DI. There's a determinable ratio of DB/DI where it switches from evasive as better to defensive. Bad procs definitely favor evasive. Also, it's safer to force smooth off damage spikes with defensive than chance a bad round or two with evasive when tanking very hard hitting things.
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As per first post, it is entirely dependant on DI. |
Koros summed up the reasoning behind when to use one and not the other.
For specific examples (I'm aware some of these are the Velious revamped versions): Avenging Gazer (PoA) 75 14.3 .19 Defensive Azaracks (PoA) 55 6 .11 Evasive Cazic Thule 200 20 .1 Evasive Gorgalask (PoA) 50 11 .22 Defensive Heart Harpie (PoA) 75 15 .2 Defensive Innoruuk 1 20 20 Defensive Nagafen 75 7.5 .1 Evasive Noble Dojorn (PoA) 37 13 .35 Defensive Overseer of Air (PoA) 82 33 .4 Defensive Shimmering Meteors (PoA) 113 10.5 .09 Evasive Sirran the Lunatic 256 90 .35 Defensive Spirited Harpy (PoA) 60 9.5 .16 Defensive Thunder Spirits (PoA) 50 5 .1 Evasive Watchful Guard (PoA) 50 12.5 .25 Defensive KUNARK Ancient Guardian wurm 90 12 .13 Evasive elder shard wurm 90 9 .1 Evasive Faydedar 76 7.5 .1 Evasive Froglok Reet x 45 5 .11 Evasive Myconid 45 5 .11 Evasive Sebilite Juggernaut 55 6.1 .11 Evasive Talendor 120 19 .16 Defensive Trakanon 120 25 .21 Defensive Vessel Drozlin 75 12 .16 Defensive Vorash 60 6 .1 Evasive Xenovorash 70 7.5 .11 Evasive VELIOUS a temple guardian 80 10 .13 Evasive Avatar of War 254 45 .18 Defensive Dagarn the Destroyer 254 25 .1 Evasive Derakor the Vindicator 200 25 .13 Evasive Dlammaz (Kael) 80 21 .26 Defensive Dozekar the Cursed 200 30 .15 Defensive elder racnar 156 6 .04 Evasive Flurry Drake 200 25 .13 Evasive Frost Giant Sentinels (Kael) 80 21 .26 Defensive glimmering emerald drake 90 12 .13 Evasive Gozzrem 180 15 .08 Evasive Kromzek Captain 60 10 .17 Defensive Lord Feshlak 200 38 .19 Defensive Lord Kreizenn 169 39 .23 Defensive Seneschal Aldikar (Thurg) 90 12 .13 Evasive Sontalak 125 15 .12 Evasive Staff Sargeant Drioc (Kael) 45 4.5 .1 Evasive Statue (Kael) 248 47.3 .19 Defensive Vehement Wyvern 90 12 .13 Evasive Velketor 185 35 .19 Defensive Yelinak 100 25 .25 Defensive Yetarr (Kael) 110 16 .15 Defensive |
Evasive was hardly ever used in Velious, like never.
That list was made AFTER Luclin and Planes of Power. There were no Alternate Abilities in Velious. Evasive on a Velious boss got your ass handed to you. |
Yeah
The list was for reducing DPS the most, not whats best for tanking. Avoiding getting 1 or 2 rounded is far superior to optimizing DPS intake - which is why you use defensive on pretty much everything on raids. |
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