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Hasbinbad 09-25-2013 10:34 PM

Property is theft.
 
Still you are yet to put together a cogent argument against this point.

There are several valid criticisms of this idea, of which my favorite is "fuck you, I am a greedy bastard and I like the idea of owning private property," but no-one has put one forth.

First, we have to understand that the phrase refers to land and excess resources, rather than possessions and use-rights. Understood in this, the proper fashion, one can see that theft does not in fact presuppose property in the sense that I am using property, and is clearly a valid proposition.

Hastley 09-25-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hasbinbad (Post 1127498)
Still you are yet to put together a cogent argument against this point.

There are several valid criticisms of this idea, of which my favorite is "fuck you, I am a greedy bastard and I like the idea of owning private property," but no-one has put one forth.

First, we have to understand that the phrase refers to land and excess resources, rather than possessions and use-rights. Understood in this, the proper fashion, one can see that theft does not in fact presuppose property in the sense that I am using property, and is clearly a valid proposition.

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runlvlzero 09-25-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hastley (Post 1127503)
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runlvlzero 09-25-2013 10:39 PM

So your telling me an agreement between two or more people to respect possession is theft?

Recycled Children 09-25-2013 10:40 PM

So how do you build anything if no one owns land? Who has the right to build there?

r00t 09-25-2013 10:40 PM

we stole it from the injuns fair & square

runlvlzero 09-25-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitez (Post 1127514)
No, he's saying that the money in your pocket is fiat which means it's not backed by any gold or silver and is actually a debt. Therefore, you own nothing, you are stealing. As in theft.

BURN

No one was contending this. And he didn't state this. He's talking about barter or any form of property. Not currency. No where did he say money, fiat, or debt.

Hasbinbad 09-25-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by runlvlzero (Post 1127508)
So your telling me an agreement between two or more people to respect possession is theft?

what about people who are not in on this agreement?

Hasbinbad 09-25-2013 10:51 PM

To be clear: the type of property i am referring to as theft is "private property." This is mostly distinguished as exclusionary "owned land" and exclusionary "excess resources," as opposed to "posessions" and "personal property," which can be seen as "things you need or have some use-right to" and "use-rights to land" and "things which are produced from the land you're using, within reason."

Hasbinbad 09-25-2013 10:52 PM

And yes, this comes mostly from Proudhom, but has been a major theme in philosophy in general since then, being added to and discussed by many. And no, I am not trolling, and by that I mean I am an artist.


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