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Nirgon 03-05-2013 01:36 PM
Giant and dragon stuns
 
Source:
Quote:
--==Extra Info on Stun Immunity By Ugli Itchibottom==--
Ogres can not be stunned in PvP melee. Period. Not from the front, not from behind, not even from behind with slam/bash. Most NPCs bashing can only stun them from behind. Exceptions are giant class MOBs, which includes giants of course, and cyclops, as well as sarnaks and Drolvargs in Kunark, and wurms/wyverns/dragons. Giant class mobs even get a chance to interrupt with normal hits, not just bashes. Other mobs can *ONLY* stun Ogres from behind with bash. PCs can not stun them except with spells.
----===----
I do certainly recall giants and dragons being stun masters in melee. Meaning they stun you hard core... you don't stun them.

However, the addition of sarnaks and drolvargs is quite interesting and not something I'd remember!

I haven't seen any of these mobs stun on their regular melee attacks, but they should have a chance to do so.

Maybe others want to contribute as I keep hunting.

nilbog 03-05-2013 01:37 PM
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77685

Nirgon 03-05-2013 01:40 PM
That addresses ogres. How bout regular melee from giant sized? Should stun peeps.

I remember running past the 2 drolvargs in front of KC and getting stunned quite a darn bit.

heartbrand 03-05-2013 01:44 PM
Pretty sure this is inaccurate whoever posted that. I remember Furor raging how the ogre warriors in guild could tank the velious shit and hold aggro because of frontal stun immunity but he couldn't.

Nirgon 03-05-2013 02:06 PM
I'm not saying ogres shouldn't have this problem with dragons+giants...

I'm just saying that the regular attacks on dragons and giants should have a chance to stun here and having been attacked by fire giants... I can confirm they don't.

Nirgon 03-05-2013 02:34 PM
More evidence:

Source:
Quote:
[Sun May 20 02:52:08 2001] Derakor the Vindicator hits YOU for 700 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:08 2001] Derakor the Vindicator hits YOU for 700 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:09 2001] Derakor the Vindicator says 'You will not evade me Chromeheart'
[Sun May 20 02:52:09 2001] Derakor the Vindicator says 'Only the strong will survive.
[Sun May 20 02:52:11 2001] You are stunned!
[Sun May 20 02:52:11 2001] A temple guardian hits YOU for 280 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:11 2001] Derakor the Vindicator hits YOU for 675 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:12 2001] Derakor the Vindicator hits YOU for 525 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:12 2001] Derakor the Vindicator says 'Only the strong will survive.
[Sun May 20 02:52:12 2001] Derakor the Vindicator hits YOU for 225 points of damage.
[Sun May 20 02:52:12 2001] You have been slain by Derakor the Vindicator!
[Sun May 20 02:52:14 2001] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Sun May 20 02:52:14 2001] You disband your party.
[Sun May 20 02:52:15 2001] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
^ Notice, no bash.

More no stuns from regular hits from giants, Big King T. Source:
Quote:
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:24 2001] Auto attack on.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:24 2001] Ourok goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:25 2001] King Tormax says 'I will bring more glory to the city of Kael Drakkel!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:25 2001] Ourok has been slain by King Tormax!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:26 2001] You pierce King Tormax for 63 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:26 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 475 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] You are stunned!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] King Tormax bashes YOU for 176 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 325 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 500 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 500 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:27 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 475 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:28 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 450 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:28 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 275 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] You pierce King Tormax for 72 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] You pierce King Tormax for 19 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] You are unstunned.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] King Tormax says 'I will bring more glory to the city of Kael Drakkel!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] King Tormax pierces YOU for 675 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:29 2001] You have been slain by King Tormax!
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:32 2001] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Tue Mar 13 23:36:32 2001] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
Same source, Grizznot stunning without a bash (unstunnable and follows this same rule), feel free to inspect the full log on the page:
Quote:
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:18 2001] You slash Grizznot for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:23 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:24 2001] You slash Grizznot for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:24 2001] You slash Grizznot for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:26 2001] You bash Grizznot for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:27 2001] You slash Grizznot for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:28 2001] You slash Grizznot for 29 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:30 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:31 2001] You bash Grizznot for 4 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:31 2001] You slash Grizznot for 33 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:31 2001] You slash Grizznot for 17 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:32 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:33 2001] You slash Grizznot for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:33 2001] Evan has been slain by Grizznot!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:33 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:34 2001] You slash Grizznot for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:35 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:36 2001] You bash Grizznot for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:37 2001] You slash Grizznot for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:39 2001] You slash Grizznot for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:40 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:42 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:42 2001] You slash Grizznot for 19 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:42 2001] You slash Grizznot for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:44 2001] You slash Grizznot for 25 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:44 2001] You slash Grizznot for 40 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:45 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:45 2001] You slash Grizznot for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:46 2001] You slash Grizznot for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:47 2001] You slash Grizznot for 44 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:48 2001] Grizznot gores YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:48 2001] Kaede Scores a critical hit!(47)
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] You slash Grizznot for 61 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] You slash Grizznot for 22 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] Grizznot gores YOU for 239 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] Grizznot gores YOU for 288 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] You are stunned!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] Grizznot kicks YOU for 110 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:51 2001] Grizznot gores YOU for 110 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:52 2001] You slash Grizznot for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:52 2001] You slash Grizznot for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:53 2001] Grizznot gores YOU for 288 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:53 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:53 2001] Grizznot bashes YOU for 102 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:53 2001] You are unstunned.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:55 2001] You slash Grizznot for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Mar 27 00:25:56 2001] Grizznot goes on a RAMPAGE!

Nirgon 03-05-2013 02:37 PM
One more with no bash, source:

Quote:
[Sun Nov 26 23:39:19 2000] Talendor claws YOU for 460 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:19 2000] Talendor claws YOU for 360 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:19 2000] You are stunned!

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:19 2000] Talendor kicks YOU for 125 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:21 2000] Talendor tries to claw YOU, but misses!

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:21 2000] You are unstunned.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:23 2000] You begin your casting.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:24 2000] Talendor claws YOU for 320 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:24 2000] Talendor claws YOU for 420 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:24 2000] Your spell is interrupted.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:26 2000] Talendor says 'Slightly crispy but still tasty,

who shall be next?

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:27 2000] Talendor claws YOU for 520 points of damage.

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:27 2000] You have been slain by Talendor!

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:29 2000] Returning to home point, please wait...

[Sun Nov 26 23:39:31 2000] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

These mobs appear to also be able to bash for more than regular mobs:

Quote:
[22:38:22] Derakor the Vindicator bashes YOU for 202 points of damage.
Quote:
Gorenaire bashes YOU for 131 points of damage.
Quote:
Gorenaire bashes YOU for 124 points of damage.

Metallikus 03-05-2013 03:22 PM
i'd like to point out that on most of these logs you posted where the guy gets stunned, it is either from a bash or a KICK (warrior style stun). The only one without a bash or kick is the one where a temple guard hits the guy at the same time vindi is whipping his ass.

Nirgon 03-05-2013 03:24 PM
Could be 55+ mob kick but I don't think so? The first one of Derakor is rock solid.

Nirgon 03-05-2013 03:53 PM
Here's something Nilbog used as evidence before, these are plane of hate mobs that aren't bashing and still managing to stun on regular melee hits (forsaken revs are casters, no bash... hm!):

http://www.ttlg.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=5043


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