I wish that I had enough faith in the American electorate to assume we'll have UBI by the time I'm dying of poor health in my seventies.

its actually a mental illness. its called "liberalism."

i am predicting what liberalism will do, not advocating it. am also not a "random person" thank you vry much.

it's a natural progression for the ruling class to simply buy us off as the cost aligns w the benefit. i'm not calling it justice! so stop being mean to me.

i also disagree that it's a recapitulation of marxism, completely. it will not be a rearrangement of power structures or redistribution of productive capacities, just a subsistence payoff. Probably paid in proportion to the scale of social unrest among the (ex) workers. I think it has been demonstrated relatively well that marx's predictions of discrete steps of evolution/revolution based on growing class awareness are not coming to pass. I don't think you can call his predictions correct if we reach a post-scarcity, post-labor economy with the working-class still never having achieved much consciousness at all. so far, capacity to befuddle and obfuscate far outweighs common drive to seek the bare truth of the power structures and/or do anything about them. No, I'm not recapitulating marxism, I'm predicting a course of things quite to the opposite thank u very much.

The question is open however whether things will travel more along Marx's predicted course once the common laborer is rich in free time to think about his powerlessness. My bets are with the obfuscators, though, personally, as life is worth living for videogames and porn alone.

Now please actually read this post and stop taunting me with ur BS that proves u just skim me.

Nobody owes you anything you lazy worthless pos

i don't put my faith with the electorate, more with savvy politicians who will push the issue knowing it will make their positions very stable. Like social security, once passed it would be untouchable. And they who passed it will be re-electable for 40 years.

plus intelligence services / tech lobbies / natsecurity people will want to calm down domestic unrest when we start dropping workers from entire industries and replacing w/ robots. And as of this moment, MMT says there is literally no downside and tons of upside to pumping money into the economy. Peep the record stock market as we had one of the worst years ever, but pumped. The market seems only to love state spending and take-home checks. So not only will you have thinktank "intellectuals" and economists advocating UBI, you will have the very largest corporations, whose lobbies will advocate it as a means to minimize the blowback for laying off tens of millions of workers and consolidating further. Add a few unemployment riots and 8 more years of boomers dying off and the pressure mounts, resistance declines. I really do believe it's coming, masochistic electorate or not.

If UBI doesn't happen in our lifetime I hope I at least get to see the rich get guillotined, even if it takes 10,000 poors for every rich life like the French or Chinese revolutions.

how dare people earn money and save it

So sacrificing 10,000 people is better than working? I’m understanding more and more why the founding fathers greatly limited the franchise

Careful there, someone in this thread has already taken a forum vacation for debating the merits of the 19th Amendment.