Velzira Petition Clarification
 

I was going to keep my mouth shut because I was not sure if I could say anything, but Sirken said I could post so here it is. Below I will show my petition but first let me explain.

I spent 4.5 hours one day getting Hadden timer. I spent the next few days bound at his spawn and tried to get lucky. Most times I made sure to show up first and people would show up and kill him. One guy showed up and taunted me about my guild and shouted that he didn't care who got the kill as long as Curse %$@!# did not.

Because of level restrictions PvP for the camp is not an option. In my mind, a higher level should be able to show up, kill me and take the mob. Fine. I personally am against PnP and level restrictions, as I have posted here multiple times, but if there are rules everyone should follow them. So I read the PnP policy, both for Red and Blue and questioned the GM's through a petition on how this is supposed to work.

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

So when you gated in was he or was he not already at the spawn? If he was then you are in the wrong here, not him.

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

That time he was there first, another time I was there first. He cant have it both ways.

I was never in the wrong, I either had kill rights or I did not. My petition was to ask for rules clarification.

From Red99 PnP

All of the rules stated in the Project 1999 Play Nice Policy still apply to Project 1999 Red PvP, with the following exceptions:

Please note that this means that kill stealing is still against the rules on Project 1999 Red. If you wish to steal someones kill, it is recommended you kill the player first and then kill their mob.

From Main PnP:
1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy.

Let me also clarify one last time with short and sweet statements.

I would prefer no level limits and no PnP. However, if there are rules here, everyone should follow them.

I wanted a rule clarification, so that next time I could talk to the other players in an educated manner.

Again, read my petition, I asked for clarification not for punishment or recompense.

Which, BTW I did not receive. I am still left wondering:

Is a spawn like Hadden a camp? Is a spawn like Hadden FTE? Or are you just shit out of luck if somebody can out damage you?

No they don't

You only have rights to the kill if you were there before the other player.

Your entire petition is based on incorrect assumptions because FTE is not how static spawns are contested.

Well, which one is it? You are contradicting yourself

You did not have kill rights if he was there first

It is a camp. See: how Tranix is still considered a camp and not FTE. Whether mobs with long spawn timers should or should not be considered campable is a different story, but as of now they are, so FTE is meaningless.

As far as I can tell from your post you tried to killsteal this guy by engaging first and then petitioned and got him suspended when you failed which is super scummy.

Aren't fishbone earrings like 100pp? Is this how u spend ur time in elf sim?

Sounds like you should have petitioned him the first time instead of doing a revenge petition the second. If it were not him that took your kill; you'd be a legit jerk for getting someone innocent banned.

As it stands (if we take you at your word) you got someone banned innocent of the crime you petitioned then for because you didn't understand the rules the first time... which is on you.

Let me try a shorter sentence. I petitioned for a clarification to the rules. Period.

If that makes me a bad person so be it.