someone's bitter.

I'm not bitter about it, just being realistic doing nagafen instead... But ya know I'll log in tomorrow at like 8 or something and there will be some guild rocking zerg force ready

They have been for quite some time. Raid leaders were present when this working was decided and agreed upon. This is how DA at one time was able to claim a raid target with 14 of their own members and 2 from outside their guild. The total of the raid force was 16 and that was legit.

And that was the first time 2 guilds joined forces to take on a mob.

This is why, as the devs have posted it like 3 times in this thread, pick up raids are completely legit. Even if a guild has issue with it it is that guild who will loose the devs decision should they break a raid rule to steal a 15+ person PuG's target and get petitioned.

Exactly! Any raid will do as long as they can follow the rest of the rules.

As of right now the climate isn't setup to appropriately deal with pick up raids. Perhaps a little later down the road we will see a more reasonable approach for anyone who wishes to attempt raid encounters. I am not surprised that a guild came in to camp for second claim, nor am I surprised that the initial raid force was discouraged. That's how it feels when the raiding guilds go after the same target: if you're not breathing down someone else's neck, you aren't raiding.

The biggest thing to remember, for a pickup raid, ESPECIALLY in a very popular zone like sol b, is that your entire "pick-up" raid force has to stay at the fg staging area and be ready to pass a role call when shit spawns. The problem is that just anyone can respond to a role call from royals or efreeti or something, and anything could easily be faked for anything.

just 2c

I think he means those rules were set by Guild GMs and officers...PUGs dont have those kind of diplomats. So there for, the Rules set forth by the Guild meetings do not apply to a PUG.

PUGS are rebels without a cause. Bound by no rules set by a Guild summit

Good luck Abacab, I wished I could join you on this (I am only 43)

Unfortunately that is not the manner in which the rules were designed, implemented, and enforced.

Also, IB already killed Vox last night. Supposedly Abacab is camping Naggy. Whether or not he has the force to maintain claim, I'm not certain.

You already forget the Transcendence + Divinity zergs of olde?