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Slave 04-12-2012 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 618153)

Also, its quite possible to get great XP from L50 mobs like HS south or the Chef/Bar area. You just have to have great dps, i.e. lots of rogues and monks and an enchanter with a charmed pet. Have you ever taken a group that parsed 250 dps to these areas?
And you are never going to reach those kind of dps targets when you are carrying a Wizard.

Slave 04-12-2012 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 618156)
IIRC Wizards get 5:1 unresistable nukes for giants and dragons in Velious. If we give them 50 mana/tick from c2+bardsong+meditation, thats 250 damage/tick, plus the initial 15-20k from burning their manapool. So for a 15 minute fight, thats 150 * 250 + 18,000 / 900 = 62 dps, which feels pretty comparable to what a rogue would do, and they don't need healers either if they can nuke in between aoes.

And in Kunark of course, wizards blow everyone else away.
Sorry Splorf but you're assuming things under absolutely perfect conditions that just don't exist. Just for starters, those uber nuke spells are 450 mana per 2000 damage which is not 5:1. Furthermore, those nukes take 6 seconds to cast, preventing meditation during those cast times.

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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 618156)
And in Kunark of course, wizards blow everyone else away.
Up till Velious, I agree that Wizards are extremely powerful in raids.

Scavrefamn 04-12-2012 10:09 AM
Maybe they should add Wizard innate spell crits to this server for balance purposes...


/cough

Bohab 04-12-2012 10:11 AM
my rogue's weapons don't run oom

Broot 04-12-2012 01:56 PM
* Edit * Just realized the numbers on the wiki are conflicting. The 50+ rains all have 4.7~ damage / mana using the lowest damage values given on the wiki.

Tears of Solusek is 4.74 damage / mana on a single mob.

Tears of Prexus is 6.15 damage / mana on a single mob.

Increased chance of resists, but if we are theory crafting here Wizard rains are insanely mana efficient.

fischsemmel 04-12-2012 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 618156)
[Wizards do] 150 * 250 + 18,000 / 900 [dps.]
Sure would be nice if wizards actually did 37,520 dps.

Slave 04-12-2012 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Broot (Post 618581)
* Edit * Just realized the numbers on the wiki are conflicting. The 50+ rains all have 4.7~ damage / mana using the lowest damage values given on the wiki.

Tears of Solusek is 4.74 damage / mana on a single mob.

Tears of Prexus is 6.15 damage / mana on a single mob.

Increased chance of resists, but if we are theory crafting here Wizard rains are insanely mana efficient.
You are incorrectly assuming how Rains work. They have a maximum of 2 waves for 1 target at this stage in the timeline. Therefore, you are getting 3.16 ratio on Prexus and 3.16 for Solusek, according to the spell data on the Wiki.

Grozmok 04-12-2012 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fischsemmel (Post 618640)
Sure would be nice if wizards actually did 37,520 dps.
Raid mobs would die in seconds.

:D

Broot 04-12-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Slave (Post 618697)
You are incorrectly assuming how Rains work. They have a maximum of 2 waves for 1 target at this stage in the timeline. Therefore, you are getting 3.16 ratio on Prexus and 3.16 for Solusek, according to the spell data on the Wiki.
Whoops, thought they still hit 3 times. Not quite to 52 on my Wiz yet.

Splorf22 04-12-2012 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fischsemmel (Post 618640)
Sure would be nice if wizards actually did 37,520 dps.
Holy shit, I've never seen an order of operations nazi on the forums before.


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