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Daldaen 04-12-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bled12345 (Post 260424)
Before i quit, as a level 54 warrior, with max 255 strength, and chanter haste...

And the every hit is a critical hit discipline, dual wielding wurmslayers....

I was quadding in the 500's lol for 30 secs with crippling blows lol.

Mmmm yes. I was hanging out around Karnor's recently and was afking near a group. Saw this guy duel wielding Wurmslayers and this is what my logs picked up:

[Sun Apr 03 23:18:43 2011] Warrior goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:44 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(440)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(396)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] Warrior lands a crippling blow!(276)
[Sun Apr 03 23:18:48 2011] a drolvarg bodyguard has been slain by Warrior!

<3 them. Got my warrior 2:

[Sun Apr 10 01:29:17 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:29:37 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:30:36 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:30:52 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:31:42 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:43:33 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)
[Sun Apr 10 01:43:37 2011] Dalbaen lands a crippling blow!(160)

Yes, my naming methods are clever, you don't need to tell me!

Treats 04-12-2011 01:01 AM

Level 50 Aruspice in Chardok that maxes for 150 and is oom with Wonderous Rapidity (70% Haste) sustains about 100-110 DPS. This is not factoring in charm breaks though.

Origin 04-12-2011 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Wenai (Post 259608)
Wizards can't consistently be in the DPS ranking every pull or every kill. If we are talking single targets, then yeah, Wizard will look good. This is why I have always HATED having wizards in groups (other than AE groups obviously).

If you have a well balanced group, a wizard offers pretty much nothing to a group. You are chain pulling creatures and they nuke once every two pulls or so and really don't offer anything. Seriously. A pet class like a Magician will offer so much more with their pet DPS than a wizard ever will.

The sad thing is, is that wizards aren't even that great on single targets. There's only so much burst damage they can do before pulling agro even when using concussion (concussion is resistable gg). I had hoped Kunark would turn it around for wizards seeing as how it was the worst class in classic, but really Kunark has just introduced another set of problems. My gripe before were resists. My gripe now is mana inefficiency and generally horrible damage output compared to melee.

The main problem is the fact that spells don't scale as well as weapons in Kunark. Monks, for example, go from dual wielding 14/28 classic weapons to 29/30 or 19/20 2hb in Kunark. Wizards on the other hand go from 400 mana for 1120 damage Ice Comets to 450 mana for 1600 damage Sunstrike. WHOA BROS SIXTEEN HUNDRED DAMAGE!! This goes without talking about monks triple attack at 60 or rogues double backstab at 55. And then you get epics...

Right now, wizards are fairly horrible. It wouldn't be half as bad if rains were working correctly though, but yeah, that's the final nail in the coffin as far as i'm concerned. I got my lvl 9 iksar monk with a Tstaff, he's winning the game as we speak. F wizards.

Oh and for your list:

Rogue
Monk
Charmed pets
Warrior
...
...
...
Other insignificant classes

P.S. If anybody talks shit about how wizards are not nearly as bad as i am claiming, i'll post my parses and make you cry. :D

Origin 04-12-2011 05:27 AM

Oh and yeah, my tears are salty!

Muzyn 04-13-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daldaen (Post 258809)
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Quick parse from our 2~ grouping of Hate recently. I'd put Warrior higher on your list though. Bards generally aren't that great DPS unless they are stacking DoTs and not helping their group at all... which would be epic failure.

Hum.. about a year ago Shewz and I posted logs to confirm that charms can do 150dps in PoHate.

Splorf22 04-13-2011 11:06 PM

What were you charming that gave you 150 dps in hate? So far my best luck is with a Sarnak Myrmidon which did just under 100 when hasted.

mimixownzall 04-14-2011 06:46 AM

We used to AE bomb Fear and have it completed in < 1 hour.

Everyone would Pile up, Chanters load their AE stuns. Puller would grab half the zone and bring them to the group. Chain cast AE stuns and AE nukes.

Of course.. that was probably 6 or 7 chanters and 15 or so mages/wizards

mimixownzall 04-14-2011 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 264326)
What were you charming that gave you 150 dps in hate? So far my best luck is with a Sarnak Myrmidon which did just under 100 when hasted.

Those clerics can hit for almost 200 a hit. Get them hasted up and they quad like mad


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