Well if the staff makes good on their threat to release Velious without raid mobs a lot of the testing could be forgone.

If you're going to say take down blue, take down red as well, else blues will just go play there. Agreed on the wipe, best thing that could happen to this server.

We can really only do the testing needed when someone with powers is around to facilitate (talking mostly about Ring War here).

We got 2 ring war tests in on Friday when Rogean was there.

I know as a new player my opinion doesn't hold much weight but I would be for Velious going live without raid mobs. there is still tons of content and drops that would allow players to strengthen their toons. More folks would be heading to Velious just for the drops, testing the zones and such as a side effect I see that as a win win. I know the raid folks wont get what they want on day one but it would push things closer Too them getting what they want

I haven't been here that long but why would a wipe be in order? I'm having fun building my character but don't want to start all over again 6 months into it; rather, I'm looking forward to new stuff at higher levels, not the 1-30 grind again.

if established players are bored, re-roll, don't twink and pretend the server got wiped.

All you need to do is go into the raid forum and browse through all the drama, pages and pages of raiding rules, guild tiers, loot rationing (faux instancing IMO), and you will better understand.

I have read all that, and a wipe won't change any of it ... it will just end it temporarily until people re-level to 60 and start it all over again.

I disagree with this plan. But you gotta admit, releasing the expansion before it is fully developed is definitely "classic" EQ. Maybe we could get a few key quests implemented but without the necessary components anywhere in the itemization? Oooh! Maybe the quests themselves could just be broken and eat your hand-ins? Good times. Good times.

Also, where my beta at? Server down?

Of course things will degrade to the same point eventually, but at least you will get a truly classic Velious experience, until the server reaches end-of-life a while after Velious is released. There is nothing you can do to avoid the end-of-life degredation scenario, but you can make the experience leading up to it as classic as possible by having an accurate release timeline.

you seem like youve been around long enough to have seen nilbog say he wants to start another server with truely classic timeline after dev work is done so he can play

also that theyll never wipe

maybe you have seen it and just arent to quick on the uptick