Not at all really, where did you get that from?

You're delusional or something if you think this has anything to do with poopsocking...

The top part, you answered your own question.

second part, fair has nothing to do with it. Not once has any GM said the rules were made to be "fair". However, the fair you are talking about is relative. What fair is to you, may not be fair to another. Fair in the simplest form, however, is having the rules in VP apply to everyone equally, regardless, and in that regard VP is fair.

VP rules apply to everyone. The only reason they favor TMO is because a guild that was equal to them left. TMO was ahead of you then and they are ahead of you now. You're definition/view of fair is only to move the bar in your favor.

Do not mistake this as me wanting things one way or the other. Like you said, I don't play (raid) anymore. However, you going around implying that rules are in place simply for the advantage of a single guild is annoying, especially since it has been stated several times why the zone is the way it is.

There are tons of petitions outside where things are less hectic and you want to multiply that for GMs, yet you can't understand why they don't want to take on that work load.

I do enjoy playing on this server even though I'll never have multiple raiding 60's. As far as people go... I've met some very cool people and a couple people that are complete DB's (but the DB's are few and far between)...

My hat goes off to the people that keep this server running as it must be a thankless job.

With all that being said, I've come to realize that the likelihood of me completing my epic is slim to none due to the fact that I will never have 500K in plat and I would prefer to stay in the guild I'm in (a good, solid, large guild) with the friends I've made.

That just well kind of sucks but what can I say....

My... 3... cents.

I'd have to say, this is the complaint I believe most had back in classic until the revamps that made getting epics easier.

Its so simple though, fair or not...training doesn't belong on a PVE server. Its basically a lame form kf pvp, which has bo place on a pve server let alone in end game raiding.

If the gms want a classicly emulated server as close to what live was, removing training would be a huge step I'm the right direction.


Honestly, do you think if training was removed TMO would still kill 70 to 90% of mobs outside of VP?

If yes, then I can't talk to you because you simply are trolling.

If no, then we can continue to have a conversation regarding the fairness of such rules.


Basically what I mean by fair is, there are 5+ guilds on the server capable of killing any mob save for gore/hoshkar. These guilds would benefit directly from training being removed, not just the guilds in direct "competition" with TMO. Sure, tmo has been around longer, has more members, has an effective method/infrastructure to maintain their monopoly.

But the important issue here is that training was established 2+ years ago when an entire different populus was on the server. Save for 20 to 30 or so core members, I highly doubt any significant portion of tMo remembers when VP opened.


Its just time to do away with sanctioned training, it should have never been allowed as it was never allowed on live. Training does not belong in eq and leads to the stagnation of the raiding scene which we see now. I'm not denying there are other factors in play here but releasing velious is just a temporary solution to a major flaw on the server.

I liked Tasslehof better when wasn't maxed on loot minus VP.

Yeah that is very unfortunate man.
Removing sanctioned training in vp coupled with regular simulated repop days would go along way towards fixing that. Instead of the top guild leaving 2 to 3people in vp to train incase anyone went there on a repop while they killed all the non-vp mobs they would have to kill those vp dragons first. This would open the door for other guilds to go after non-vp epic dropping raid bosses.


I really wish we had a "p99 blue discussion" on twitch like they had for red99, I mean we have like 30 times more players. Would think keeping those players interested instead of letting the top guild drive them all away with griefing would be atleast one of their concerns.

3 things that would immensely help the raiding scene and I assumr are easily doable :
1. Remove training in VP
2. Simulated repops
3. More strict(or any at all) enforcement of pnp/server rules.


Get er done, save p99 before we revert back to where we were 2 years ago.

Sirken has already stated it is not time.

Give one good reason why he should devote more of his free time to you.

I'm not maxxed on loot minus VP, albeit fairly close.
I've quit tasslehof though, atleast until velious.

Either way, why you still stalking me bro shits weird.