Troxx has spent so much time and energy playing word games, trolling, etc. because he still cannot answer a simple question:

What camps would be better with a Cleric instead of a Shaman in this four person caster group?

West Waste Dragons and Fungi King are two camps where a Shaman would be better than a Cleric.

Hopefully he doesn't get distracted with some other random thing in this post, and spam the thread with another tangent.

You indeed continue to attempt to dodge naming a camp that needs a Shaman, dodge providing evidence of your Shaman root rotting multiple adds parallel to the group (thereby increasing group's DPS) and dodge replying to posts which call you out about it.

For people new to the thread, this is just a troll. Please look though his post history and you can conclude for yourself if he is worth listening to. He will continue to spam the thread as long as it's active, that is his sole purpose. 422/429 of his posts are in this thread. Expect another nonsense reply after this.

He will always respond with more nonsense, so I will not continue to reply. He will just spam more.

If he wants to support other posters, he can do so with evidence. Answering the question about which camps are better with a Cleric instead of a Shaman would be a good start.

Instead of being "just a troll" and responding with more "nonsense", couldn't you simply provide the name of one camp that needs a Shaman (out of the multiple which you claimed you could provide) and provide evidence of a/an/any Shaman root rotting multiple adds parallel to their group (thereby improving their group's DPS)?

It sounds like DSM is trying to admit he used the wrong words, and that in fact there are no camps that need a shaman.

I, for one, accept this concession.

Are you able to answer the question about which camps are better with a Cleric over a Shaman?

Or will the pro Cleric side continue to play word games? The continued dodging of this question is quite telling. It is very difficult to communicate with people who get distracted from the substance of a discussion so easily.

As I've already answered many times, West Waste Dragons and Fungi King are two camps where a Shaman does better than a Cleric.

Thus far you haven't named any, even once as far as I know. If I missed a post, please show it.

My friend, my perspective is as it always has been: I'm interested in the question in the context of leveling relatively untwinked from 1 to 60, not endgame camping.

That means no torpor, no fungis, no pocket characters. In that context I rather like the following groups, in a very rough order:
enc/clr/necro/wiz
enc/clr/mage/wiz
enc/enc/clr/wiz
enc/enc/necr/clr

That's good to know. I have always been focused on endgame, as the point of leveling is to get to 60, and a caster group is already leveling fast.

It sounds like you are admitting your arguments against Shaman are not relevant for an endgame focused group, so we can put them aside until people want to focus on the leveling group discussion.

If you want to discuss an endgame focused group, please let us know which camps are better with Cleric over Shaman.

At what point do a clerics heals become so absurdly better than a Druids, that you would be willing to throw away QOL features like regen, sow, porting? I think the obvious answer is probably whenever they get complete heal, but I would think what a PITA when the cleric dies and now he/she needs a port.

CH is 39, first druid group port is 29, regen is 34.

I love druids, and I think I probably included druid in my first answer in this thread. But I think I'd rather swap the wizard for the druid if I went that way.