Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3690552)

This is a bad attempt at grasping for straws. This wasn't an example video showing peak Enchanter/Shaman play. The other group members weren't even 60. The Enchanter in question wasn't using rune, it seems like they were fairly new to either the game or the class.

You are basically using examples of lower skill players as evidence, which is silly.

Originally Posted by Vexenu (Post 3690555)

My friend, it's your own video. Please, be kind to yourself!

Further, you are completely unable to refute the fact that the Shaman class, even if piloted by the best player in the world, would have been unable to prevent a wipe like the Cleric did in the second video. This is because Shamans simply DO NOT provide the same degree of support for a charming Enchanter that a Cleric does. It's clear and incontrovertible in the video. Everyone can see that you've been talking out of your rear end, I'm afraid. Your bluster and theorycrafting fall flat in the face of such overwhelmingly compelling evidence, which is why you must now concede to avoid further embarrassment.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3690556)

Desparation and trolling. Tell me, is it a Shaman's fault that an upper 50s Enchanter does not use rune when attempting to start working on 4 mobs, before the encounter started? Th enchanter would be at like 50% health if they had used Rune V.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3690545)

I didn't say otherwise. I said OP's group picked Shaman. You do realize OP asked about four classes, not one? The logic is that OP asked for advise about four classes, so they could pass this information on to the other three players.

OP can correct me if they didn't actually tell the group anything, but are you suggesting you believe that OP asked about four classes just so they could pick their own class without talking to the group?

Originally Posted by Elizondo (Post 3690561)

You're claiming the OP's friend picked shaman because SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

Prove it

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3690563)

I didn't claim it. I stated the fact that a Shaman was picked, and that OP probably provided the informatiom they got from this thread. You can logically see what might have hapoened from there.

As I said, OP is free to correct this if it is wrong. The only one with the claim is yourself. You are claiming they just picked the class they liked. You need to prove it.

Originally Posted by Vexenu (Post 3690559)

Let it be noted that the Enchanter in the second video was also not runed when charm broke, and that the Cleric was also a bit slow to react to the break, and yet they both still survived.

Clerics are simply much better at keeping Enchanters alive when charm breaks at an inopportune moment (as it inevitably will over even a modest duration grind session, regardless if Malo is used). Everyone who has played a good amount of EQ recognizes this fact intuitively, except you, due to your bizarre obsession with the Shaman class. But now we have clear and incontrovertible video evidence that disproves your wild claims once and for all.

And now you must concede, apologize to the forum for continuing this ridiculous charade over the course of two years and 500 pages, put your Shaman on the shelf for a minimum of three months and commit to leveling a Cleric twink.

Originally Posted by Elizondo (Post 3690564)

You made assumptions based on zero evidence.

Originally Posted by Elizondo (Post 3690564)

Class preference over optimization. EQ Happens.

Originally Posted by Vexenu (Post 3690549)

I submit the following videos as clear and indisputable evidence that Enchanter/Shaman is inferior to Enchanter/Cleric. In this first video, at 1:55, we find DSM grouped with two Enchanters in HS. Things take a turn for the worse when charm breaks unexpectedly, and contrary to DSM's insistence that a Shaman can easily help an Enchanter recover from a bad break, we see that DSM's Enchanter is at 3% health before he can even get a heal off, and is only saved because the other Enchanter landed a last second mez!




In contrast, I found the following video of a random Enchanter/Cleric duo in HS. At 57 minutes, we see the Enchanter suffer a very ill-timed charm break just as she is pulling, compounded by some repops. It's almost a worst case scenario, but as we can see, the Cleric not only has a stun and burst healing to help the Enchanter survive, but is able to leverage the power of CH to keep the golem pet alive through a very hairy situation. Needless to say, a Shaman would have been absolutely hopeless in this scenario.



This is not theorycraft or mere idle speculation, these are real gameplay videos, one of which features the very antagonist of this thread himself! And now, DSM, with such incontrovertible evidence before you, I demand that you concede.