AHAH salut!

It is a much better "business" decision to cater to your more loyal customers (people who play more). A large majority of the casual player base doesn't give two shits TMO monopolizes content either.

I don't know what you expect the community to do. You have the have and have nots, just like any aspect of life. People who want to raid either are in TMO, want to be in TMO or don't want to join TMO for some reason or another. You have 3 choices at that point, apply to TMO, quit the game/stop trying to raid or compete with them. Despite what people say they don't have any advantage over anyone else except the inertia they've built up being the top guild on the server.

I guess my point is...too bad? I don't know how else to say it. Either beat them, join them, or quit - but complaining that TMO "won the game" fair and square and that makes you sad is just sort of lame.

You're making the assumption they don't want to raid. They probably want to raid they just can't spend 40+ hours a week doing it.

So you want the same thing but want to put in less effort?

Wanting something doesn't mean jack. Especially wanting something someone else already has but did put in 40+ hours a week.

Like I said, you have the ability to raid and get top end loot. But here, the bar has been set at the level of commitment TMO has to taking out top end raid targets.

If you want your progression capped not by your ability, organization and time commitment but by artificially placed hindrances by developers there is a perfect game for you: World of Warcraft.

Maybe I'm missing something, but why does it have to be that anyone who wants to experience VP must put in 40 hours? Shouldn't a hard-working, dedicated guild that puts in 20 hours a week be able to access VP? It should take them twice as long to get geared up for VP, and once they get there they'll only get to access it half as much as a guild that spends 40 hours ... but they should still be able to access it right?

That's not the same thing with less effort, it's half the thing with half the effort.

EQ doesn't work that way. That's how WoW is setup...things are instanced, you get badges/tokens/whatever and you accumulate enough you can trade them in for a piece of loot.

In EQ the time commitment is getting the contested content in the first place. Not to mention in the case of VP you're competing just to gain access to the zone as it requires drops from another contested raid target.

In order for Guild A to progress, Guild B cannot. There is no "do half the work and get half the reward" option. That's just the game folks, take it or leave it...

Oooo, I want to try making something true just by stating it too:

"Loramin has a million plat in his bank account."

;) Now, I don't need to run home and logon to know that my account doesn't have a million plat; similarly, just because you make a pronouncement like that doesn't make it any more true.

Everyone agrees P99's raid scene isn't, and can never be exactly like it was on live. So this whole discussion can't just be "it was X on live, so it should be X on P99". No one can just say "this is the way it has to be", because the way it should be is the way it was on live, and that's impossible. Instead, by definition, it has to be "this is the way we want it to be on P99".

So it's ok to say "I have an opinion, and that opinion is that everyone should have to play 40 hours a week to see VP." But other people have different opinions, and theirs are no better and no worse than your opinion.

At the end of the day it all comes down to what we want P99 to be. So given that, don't we all want a guild that spends twice as much effort to get twice as much reward ... not infinitely more reward?

P.S. Oh, and by "we" I in some sense mean "the p99 developers" ... but since it does seem that they can be influenced by the rest of us, in a way "we" really does mean "us".

I'm not saying I am a casual player. I am on every night raiding. Not everyone has that luxury though. I'm just saying that you seem to think these people don't want to raid. When that is not the case.

There is a thing called DKP even on p1999. If you are in a sort of shitty guild you still won't get crap if you don't Raid much because you suck at DKP. Morale of the story just like in real life, if you don't do much you don't ever get much.

How is this so hard to understand on here?? Free handouts like welfare??

The problem with p99 raiding is the rules of the server. Non-classic additions such as Variance, Sanctioned training, and the extended timeline we're on in combination with server repops rarely happening have created the situation on this server in terms of raiding.


Take out sanctioned training in VP, and have server repops more often..and you will see the loot spread out a lot more fairly. I mean TMO doesn't even need 75% of the loot they take in, its pure greed...and really has nothing to do with competition. They already will win velious regardless, with minimal effort, because no one has the amount of loot, or characters that they do.

The rest of us are just sitting here hoping the server's staff at some point implements more fair rules, or atleast enforces the rules they have here. By that I mean, IP exemption exploiting was always a bannable offense, it says so in the original message they send to you after your exemption goes through. Specifically, ever since Sirken made that ruling following TMO's previous IP exemption exploitations it was understood those caught would be banned. However, just this week Jeremy was caught abusing his IP exemption...and he wasn't banned.

How is this fair to the hundreds of other folks who were banned immediately upon being caught? What kind of message do you think this sends to the rest of the server?
Just saying, you can't expect people to feel as if they're playing on a level playing field when situations like this come about fairly regularly. I don't just mean in terms of individual players breaking the rules, I mean entire guilds as well. I'm not saying any one guild is more guilty than another either. But if you continually don't enforce the rules in a game..people will just take advantage of that, and they do on p99 everyday!