Stop derailing the thread, if you two want to continue your pissing contest take it to R&F.

So, 25 extra sta at character creation will give roughly 60hp at that level.

Leet!

In my experience, whenever I see posts like this, my most immediate thought is the person ran out of things to say and/or are trying to get the last word in, and/or "look cool."

It's not really what stamina gives, it's that if everything you need is capped except stamina, then those points put into int/cha are wasted. If you can stand a rougher ride to 50, it's usually the right move.

we have a diminishing returns setup here with a softcap of 200 .. at 230ish you stll get 5 or 6 points of mana per int / wis, wich is way more then the 2 points HP per stamia ... so i would go for int or cha ... depending on what gear you got, maxing both ..

On a semi-related note:

I was under the impression that the softcap of 200 for int and wisdom will be raised to 255 in Kunark or Velious with the hard cap remaining at 255.

Is this correct and if so which expansion raised the soft cap?

But 25 extra int or cha points gives even less than that. You can cap you int/char in your 40s or even level one if its going to be a twink like the OP said. Still cant cap stamina with any gear combination to put you at the soft stat cap currently.



See the above statement.

Guineapig brings out a very valid question however and it would be nice to get a Dev to confirm it

Bro don't listen to anyone in this thread but me

Chanter = Dark Elf

Points = all in CHA which will give you a base CHA of i believe 90. You're going to need that base 90 to get max 255 CHA or close to it without planar gear. 255 CHA > for enchanter. Don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Max you CHA if you plan on farming or raiding.

Hide = Instant charm break. It saves a spell slot that you would otherwise be swapping out. Trust me, it's kind of a big deal.

Basically that's all there is to it. If you want to enjoy your enchanter and charm shit and actually not be worthless on raids besides being a buffbot, max your CHA as soon as you can. There is no reason why you shouldn't dump every point you can into CHA at creation.

Hide is unreliable as a charm break, as dark elf enchanter i still mem invis to break it as it's embarrassing to "/g breaking charm" only to have people standing around your pet for the next 20-30 seconds because hide keeps failing.

Now if you said be a DE chanter because they look cooler i'd agree :p As you said, all points into cha to begin with and you're laughing.

Once kunark comes out there's a clicky instant invis item, so any chanter worth his salt will have that for charm breaking. Hide becomes a lesser factor (although a permanent stationary invis is nice for afk).

Like i said, for classes with just a single predominant stat, sure, put it in sta since maxing that one stat will be easy. But chanters need Int and Cha. And you won't be maxing both of these any time soon.

I used to try hide with my wood elf druid on live for breaking charm. It's totally unreliable, and I almost never used charm until I got instant camo AA. After that, it was quite fun to charm.

Trust me, if you make a DE (which is a viable choice, just saying hide alone isn't enough of a reason to choose it), you WILL eventually get tired of it not working well enough, and start memming invis.

Having Hide fail 10 times in a row while your bowels are about to violently empty themselves is not fun.