Originally Posted by Danth (Post 3016516)

Not in this case. Links could be taken out via a couple different methods. We experimentally played with disabling them during the course of UI work. The P1999 admins want links left in because they feel it reduces scamming and hence their own CS workload.

Danth

Originally Posted by Llandris (Post 3016937)

Who said this?

Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3016934)

I think the theory is that it opens the door for scams? I guess under the idea that if you don't link the item and instead just list the stats in your /auc and someone just trusts you and doesn't bother to inspect the item in the trade window, then you scammed them? But if you're not double checking the item in the trade window has the stats the seller claimed it did, you're kind of a moron.

Originally Posted by Haynar (Post 1562987)

Item linking? No. CS total nightmare with trade scammers.

Originally Posted by Danth (Post 3016940)

Rogean I think, might've been Nilbog. Both of them were in the UI discord channel. The UI guys (especially Deezy) were eager to remove links but were overruled. One very easy method would've been to remove the icons in the item stat window and elsewhere (which aren't classic)....that wouldn't remove item ID-based item links but would get rid of the casual rightclick link that most people mainly use.

Danth

Originally Posted by Llandris (Post 3016961)

(like dropping coin).

Originally Posted by Wwen42 (Post 3016917)

The "classic" "not classic" argument is just bad and should be abandoned. It's not a great defense for anything they are doing/not doing. Just say what your vision is and why you're doing it and be done. I don't have to agree, but at least I won't feel like I'm getting bullshat. It's clear that things are dependent on the whims of the devs, for good reasons sometimes, but don't blow smoke about the classicness.

The core of what everyone likes about "classic" EQ is going to vary and you can't please everyone.
My core is
1. Death means something
2. Travel is not instant and/or has a cost.
3. Not an endless skinner-box Sure, we're all working on levels and items, but it's generally slow rather than constant timed rewards every 10 minutes. You're putting work in.
4. Plenty of interaction with others good or bad. WoW feels like a single-player game.

Any change that doesn't affect this is ok in my book. Making the UI less intuitive and useful seems really grognard to me. Just because we didn't know what good UI or player controls were in 1999 doesn't mean we should go back to it. Removing linking is just silly and doesn't affect aspects 1-4, but makes the game just a tiny % more tedious for no reason. There's overall a just a bunch of tiny QoL control and usability improvements I'd like to see. Like "Can I ctrl+m to meditate please?"

Looking at the book doesn't bother me and kinda makes sense, you're suppose to be "meditating."

Originally Posted by Llandris (Post 3016961)

Interesting. I'm no dev, but I've been under the impression that it would be quite difficult to remove item linking with the titanium client without screwing up itemid #s. Or at least it would take loads and loads of time and/or rewriting a ton of script to make it happen (like dropping coin).

Originally Posted by silo32 (Post 3016523)

so its not classic but makes life easier on devs

but the other changes pet windows, cycle targeting, etc that don't benefit players are certainly removed because "classic"

lmao

cherry picking at its core