it's not on everyone to cater to everyones sensibilities and morality on this server, just like in real life u have all types, and if u want to work towards something, that means taking the good with the bad. and making due with what u have. And what we have is what we have.

You either have two shit guilds, and 1 good one desperately trying everything in the book to split them further apart and recruit them,

or you have a strong 2nd second guild that is read to contest against apex in velious and draw in alot of old players if that was to happen.

not to mention there is an active guide and if is able to call shots then it would be a very good game. right now this server just isn't a good game.

i mean the server is fine, i thoroughly enjoy the 40 pop right now.knowing we could easily double that if we put together the second guild, people would flock to a server with actual pvp on it, apex's retired members would come back to fight, and old members would come back to join the second guild.

or we can just have more of this, whatever this is. like i said this server lives and dies by its community, and if you want to keep the status quo and eventually have 10 players online then so be it. the server is what u make of it. and right now the server is really shitty. through no fault of rogean.

this is all on the leaders and shakers of the server, none of you are putting any effort into making this place better, more attractive to play on. TD provides a great place to level up, epidemic creates a great place to learn to pvp, and then they join apex and get geared out and quit. Thats our server right now, the plain and simple of it. If everyone is ok with that then fine. i'll take it. ill still enjoy EQ in my own way. but damn would i sure like some actual velious pvp.

There is plenty of PvP. I could play with just about anyone. What you keep failing to realize agatha is we created Epidemic bc no one has the time or desire to contest Apex for tov. Our 25 man guild is happy doing the content we do and pvping for the mobs we have the numbers to contest. I've never had this much fun in a guild. You guys can join us if you'd like and I'll lead PvP. Epidemic crooting.

not reading this garbage

Correction, you created Epidemic because no one else would take you guys (Quil, Akinn, Sithen, Gzaz etc). Don't try and re-write history to re-invent yourself.

Good on you guys though, you have definitely had some success with the guild.

just think its dumb u could be doing more and having more fun. instead this place remains a toxic cess.

yet TD welcomed me with open arms recently until i gave epidemic all the info =)

<Tide> still crootin? LOL

LOL Stfu

If the two guilds could join forces and the majority of the playtime was big scale pvp I get this argument. However, most of the time would be doing crap grind raids for new peoples epics and lower tier raid gear. You would have officers of opposing guilds stealing crap and fighting for loot. No one would trust each other.

Maybe the big scale PvP could work if they could agree on a caller but what about the other 99% of the time.