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Pokesan 06-18-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorgam (Post 2302727)
Because no one who isn't white can be racist right? Ignorance is bliss!

weak strawman my good chum!

Zuranthium 06-18-2016 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Swish (Post 2301756)
I used to work in an environment where if you were a white guy you could be told to do anything.

A black somehow-pregnant lesbian? Shit, that's god mode.

You have no clue whatsoever what it is like to be such a thing.

The opportunities given to people based on these two things are entirely disparate, regardless of your bad optics thinking people can somehow "play the minority card" to gain some kind of special advantage. Yeah, maybe someone won't ask a pregnant woman to do a certain physically draining task. That's just called respect. What exactly was the white guy being told to do, AT WORK, that was such a terrible ordeal for them? In reality, nothing.

Being a white hetero male factually makes a person more likely to be hired, promoted, given a loan, etc. Not to mention being born into money. They are the most privileged group in existence. That's what our culture has built and the long-standing misogyny and subtle (or not so subtle) modes of discrimination against minorities have directly held them down in comparison to this ruling class. Just look at who gets cast in films and who owns the businesses, for starters.

The current outrage over this is basically built around the majority realizing they are no longer a majority and will have more competition if others actually being given equality opportunity. That and just general ignorance.

Everyone here needs to watch this, for starters, to gain a better understanding of exactly why this quoted mentality is ridiculous and wrong.

Daywolf 06-18-2016 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokesan (Post 2302773)
saying isn't doing. it's speech. some people got their feelings hurt.

there is a huge difference between being harmed and being offended.

Saying is a "doing" otherwise there would be no protections for it at all. It's absolutely an action just as much as screaming fire in a movie theater is an action even if there really is no fire. People are sometimes put away in prison for speech, especially in Europe right now as far as the West goes. Inciting a riot is illegal in the US, and that comes from words.

The only difference is what is illegal and what isn't. So far it's not illegal to be a dumbass and spew out racist hate speech like they did at this public memorial service. It's your right to be a dumbass, as it should be. It doesn't matter if you do or don't do what you say, the saying is still an action, which is a doing.

And didn't you know? A word word word, word is a verb. I said a word word word, word is a verb (as well as talking and speaking etc).
Verb:
1.
a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen.

Example: She spoke to the victims of a tragic murder and racially charged the solemn memorial with hate speech against the very people that were in attendance.

bang and blame



But to add, and in conclusion, there is a time and place for it, in the forum of public debate and ideas, and they have been spewing this crap out all week everywhere at everyone. Did BLM really need to go to a memorial service and start trying to shame people in attendance due to their skin color? Seriously, it's a deeply sociopathic action on their part to do that to them.

sOurDieSel 06-18-2016 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium (Post 2302799)


Pokesan 06-19-2016 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Daywolf (Post 2302803)
Saying is a "doing" otherwise there would be no protections for it at all. It's absolutely an action just as much as screaming fire in a movie theater is an action even if there really is no fire. People are sometimes put away in prison for speech, especially in Europe right now as far as the West goes. Inciting a riot is illegal in the US, and that comes from words.

The only difference is what is illegal and what isn't. So far it's not illegal to be a dumbass and spew out racist hate speech like they did at this public memorial service. It's your right to be a dumbass, as it should be. It doesn't matter if you do or don't do what you say, the saying is still an action, which is a doing.

And didn't you know? A word word word, word is a verb. I said a word word word, word is a verb (as well as talking and speaking etc).
Verb:
1.
a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen.

Example: She spoke to the victims of a tragic murder and racially charged the solemn memorial with hate speech against the very people that were in attendance.

bang and blame



But to add, and in conclusion, there is a time and place for it, in the forum of public debate and ideas, and they have been spewing this crap out all week everywhere at everyone. Did BLM really need to go to a memorial service and start trying to shame people in attendance due to their skin color? Seriously, it's a deeply sociopathic action on their part to do that to them.

Torture grammar all you want, it won't tranfigure speech into action. Words remain words, deeds remain deeds.

Chaboo_Cleric 06-19-2016 12:37 AM

Yeah my friend told me Everquest is a white mans game.

Daywolf 06-19-2016 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokesan (Post 2302828)
Torture grammar all you want, it won't tranfigure speech into action. Words remain words, deeds remain deeds.

Then this logic applies to yelling "fire!" in a movie theater when there is no fire as it should never be illegal. After all, by your own definition it's not an action, not a deed, because it's just words.

So this is what the left is teaching now? No wonder the Donnald can get so many death threats on social media sites and it's never removed. Yet groups like trannys for trump gets deleted by the left, because somehow those words are just wrong.

The left is thinking somehow they have become the moral police, though does not apply to themselves. It's not a gay or straight or racial or religious or any other issue than a leftist ideological issue by result of mental health issues, fully.

Pokesan 06-19-2016 12:57 AM

yes, restricted speech exists.

what

Daywolf 06-19-2016 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokesan (Post 2302854)
yes, restricted speech exists.

what

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...age-suspended/
It sure is. Unless it's the "correct" ideology of course. I may not be gay, but I have enough empathy to recognize that standing up at a memorial and pointing fingers into the crowd to blame and/or belittle them is heartless and inhuman.

Outside of such an event I could say: hey, just say no to gun free zones (regardless of political party or etc.). But even then, that's not entirely the issue. But what does any issue have place at a memorial service, other than that of the tragic loss of life in this case? To score political points and directly shame the mourners at the event? It's just words that hurt peoples feelings?

It's about trying to make political gains upon a racial narrative at cost to the well being of others at a place/event of healing. It's downright shameful :(

JurisDictum 06-19-2016 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuranthium (Post 2302799)

Everyone here needs to watch this, for starters, to gain a better understanding of exactly why this quoted mentality is ridiculous and wrong.

I thought it was a pretty good video. It argues for utilitarianism as a moral philosophy -- which I've always considered the best view. It is what people do whether they acknowledge it or not. When they decide if something is moral or not, they weigh the consequences of their actions.

The kind of thinking he is discussing is basically the deontological view. Somethings are right, others are wrong. I associate this (like he did) with people obsessed with being a good person -- and rationalizing their actions to be consistent with their image as a good person. The concept of more moral or less moral is alien to them. It is all either moral or not.

It was pretty cool how he associated the unwillingness to explore certain moral inquiries as a defense mechanism. But it might not be able to hold up as well as the rest of the video. People tend to be skeptical of information that contradicts what they believe (esp. conservatives). So it may not be a defense in all cases...just typical human behavior.


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