Project 1999 - Game Mechanics: Classic vs Non Classic

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FaithlessKR

05-05-2015 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Syft-X (Post 1881201)

So what your saying is 1200-1700 backstabs are fine when that was never happening on live in kunark but sunstrikes aren't?

What class do you play again oh a rogue that's right!

Listen buddy if you want nothing but lures landing likes its luclin era thats fine but you can't keep your insane custom dmg that never matched live thats currently happening on melees.

The chances of me doing that much damage on a backstab are about 1 in 15. Requires duelist and a very high roll on damage and not missing one or both. Wizard have just as high (if not higher) of a chance to do 1k damage with a sunstrike and they don't have to be put on a 30 minute cooldown to try it.

Granted my memory isn't perfect, but I can say for certain that in my time in live during the end of kunark and start of velious...that I saw several rogues backstabbing for mid to high 400's at the gfay spires.

While that's not the 520 that we're capable of, our 520's are also with capped strength and the rogues I watched did not have any buffs. People from Tallon Zek will remember rogues like Amuk, Quiknuss, Tzuten etc who were all elves that spent a lot of time pvping at wizard spires. People from those eras will also remember that every big name shaman on that server would never have poison dots memmed because they didn't land (something else bk is crying for is the ability for shaman to pvp). They all relied on insidious decay and pox/plague to do damage.

So whether or not rogues hit as hard there I can't really say, if you can provide proof that we didn't I could give 2 shits about my class being nerfed, I am confident enough in my ability to contribute even if they take 70 damage off my max backstabs. And I sure as hell wont come crying to the forums about it, at worst I'll make another character and level it up if people feel I'd be of more use on a different class.

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Originally Posted by Widan (Post 1881208)

The problem is armor class, not resists. AC has never worked correctly on either server.

This is probably more accurate than anything BK has attempted to say. I feel like I backstab warriors harder than wizards a lot of the time.

Syft-X

05-05-2015 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithlessKR (Post 1881216)

Can you provide proof that everyone in kunark fully resisted everyones spells besides lures and liftetaps?

No you can't but you'll happily say that was the case and use it as basis for balancing and then state 1200-1700 backstabs are normal for this era. Sullon Zek was the only server with ranked boards and you'd be lucky to find one rogue listed in the top 100, here almost every rogue is ranked in top 100 so yea i'd say thats a pretty solid case for how far balance is off.

FaithlessKR

05-05-2015 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Syft-X (Post 1881230)

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Ear - Earring of Essence
Ear - Blue Diamond Electrum Earring
Finger - Velium Diamond Ring
Finger - Velium Diamond Ring
Face - Golden Diamond Mask
Head - Scaled Hierophant Helm
Neck - Black Sapphire Velium Necklace
Chest - Scaled Hierophant Breastplate
Arms - Scaled Hierophant Vambraces
Back - Cloak of the Ice Bear
Waist - Flayed Turmoilskin Belt
Shoulders - Obulus Death Shroud
Wrist - Velium Blue Diamond Bracelet
Wrist - Velium Blue Diamond Bracelet
Legs - Scaled Hierophant Greaves
Hands - Scaled Hierophant Gauntlets
Feet - Black Fur Boots
Primary - Blight, Hammer of the Scourge
Range - Stone of Morid

Here were my base resists before buffs:

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MR - 100
FR - 124
CR - 138
PR - 84
DR - 94

Only resists I would wear on a normal occasion were mr and shadoo. Occasionally I would buff fire or other resists if I came across something like a druid or mage. Nothing landed on me with those stats outside of lure based spells with any frequency.

Syft-X

05-05-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithlessKR (Post 1881241)

When nearly everyone on the boards agrees with the fact that having 120 to all resists made you immune on live during kunark/velious, then I would generally assume that's a pretty good idea of what it was like. I will give you a list of the items my shaman had during velious, and I can tell you right now nothing ever landed on me outside of lures.

Here were my base resists before buffs:

Only resists I would wear on a normal occasion were mr and shadoo. Occasionally I would buff fire or other resists if I came across something like a druid or mage. Nothing landed on me with those stats outside of lure based spells with any frequency.

I'm glad you so accurately recall each piece of gear you owned and the exact resists you needed when to be spell immune, but when it comes to fighting melee's you can't seem remember how hard they hit and how much backstabs landed for.

Played a shaman on live huh but rolled a rogue here hmmm I wonder why, maybe it was because on live a dmg shield would kill a rogue vs any opponent smart enough not to show his back and my wizards skins were enough to eat full duelist BS before he chewed into my life.

I get it though when it comes to melee dmg you need proof and your memory gets all hazy but when it comes to you being spell immune you suddenly have a photographic memory...seems legit.

You know a lot of wizard nukes have -resist modifiers so with that fire you woulda been rocked by sunstrike in velious...just saying it doesn't sound like you actually pvp'd a lot in classic. Because with staff of t-flux and mod on sunstrike you actually had 108 fire.

Can you say "Salt's body is consumed with the fires of the sun"

Cool story though.

Luniz

05-05-2015 10:12 AM

I was bard charming people in ec tunnel /duels on terrew marr during Kunark. But I think OP is trying to make this WoWesque and have custom balance With new and custom classes to appeal to new gamers

Syft-X

05-05-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Luniz (Post 1881333)

I was bard charming people in ec tunnel /duels on terrew marr during Kunark. But I think OP is trying to make this WoWesque and have custom balance With new and custom classes to appeal to new gamers

if you want people to take you seriously you need to stop trolling every forum working desperately on your 65th forum ban

Nirgon

05-05-2015 02:41 PM

AC was good but didn't make you barely take any damage as you might think... prof (Velious eta):

Here's a paladin in Velious plate getting jacked up by a backstab... 102 slashes too

http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/AD/Baeandar04.jpg

Warrior getting slashed for 193

http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/wetall_1on1.jpg

Full indo warrior taking some pretty hard hits

http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/TB/Mico03.jpg

Druid with respectable AC getting plowed hardcore by inner flame monk

http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/TB/Amrix01.jpg

Cleric with kael plate and good ac taking a pounding

http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/AD/Mystereo02.jpg

SK getting hit real hard by a rogue again
http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/SOF/Wetall01.jpg

Druid with lodi shield / velious leather getting plowed:
http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/AD/DaxxN01.JPG

Primal rogue piercing for 151 (lol get ready for this shit kids):
http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/AD/Ezik01.jpg

Syft-X

05-05-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon (Post 1881740)

Thanks bro you just literally proved that we have dmg set 2x higher in kunark than it was in velious.

Pikrib

05-05-2015 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon (Post 1881740)

Some of those SS's are showing a duelist rog in velious and we don't know what weapons he is using either.

Duelist

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1: Increase All Skills Damage Modifier by 100%
2: Increase All Skills Minimum Damage Modifier by 400%

I don't see any 1+k Duelist backstabbs in those SS's like on this server. The druids in one of those pics might have been sitting down btw (which still needs to be fixed or is it pending patch?).

Anyway..

For arguements sake lets say he was sitting and duelist hit for 944 against the druid. Here if sit damage was fixed it would have been over 1k.

Shit aint broken but it needs to be tweaked imho.

Colgate

05-05-2015 03:53 PM

You backstab Wetall for 336 points of damage.
You backstab Wetall for 714 points of damage.

plate class taking over 1k from a duelist backstab seems in line with what we see on this server

the last time i saw a 1000+ hit from a single backstab swing on red99 was back when sitting damage code was bugged and it did a theoretical max hit every time

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