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Colgate 03-04-2015 07:06 AM
people say everquest pvp is stupid and then have no issues with shit like this

lol

azeth 03-04-2015 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Eunomia (Post 1807759)
Your agreement for hand off has to be with the current camp holder. 2nd in line is not going to guarantee you anything, because when the camp is handed off, the new camp holder is not required to carry forward the same list.
did not know this.

so basically lists should be as long as 1 person in line. beyond that you're guaranteed nothing

maskedmelon 03-04-2015 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by azeth (Post 1808251)
did not know this.

so basically lists should be as long as 1 person in line. beyond that you're guaranteed nothing
Well, it doesn't hurt to maintain one if you are a camp holder and if anything doing so encourages (though does not require) the next person to carry it forward. A sort of community policing is invoked wherein players who regularly do not follow lists, or seek to undermine community standards develop reputations and receive fewer camp handoffs as a result. Good or bad, social interaction and community standards is... Classic ^^

Ambrouis 03-04-2015 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nurabsal66 (Post 1807906)
I was grouped with the monk who had the camp before me; he was helping my rogue level up. When he left, he said, "do you want the camp?" "Sure," I replied.

Fast forward 30 minutes. Greenleafy of Asgard (Ambrouis) and an anonymous, guild- less, necromancer named Ssas show up. They proceeded to tell me how I am in their camp etc...I had no clue what they were talking about. If they used a few social skills instead of being rude, I probably would have just gave the camp up and moved on. However, he came at me guns blazing with threats of petitioning etc.

After Greenleafy petitioned, a guide arrived and gave him the news he didn't want to hear. So, he came to the forums to create a stink over absolutely nothing.

Who is this guy demanding I leave my camp??? /mind blown
I don't mind you posting your side, freedom of speech, just don't make s**t up though. I never once said it was my camp, I just kindly let you know that there was a list and you cut the list off.
I just wanted clarity in rules because without it, you were clearly in violation of it.
Knowing that lists are completely worthless, I will not wait for a camp while within 30 seconds of it, I'll just sit at it and as soon as the active camper leaves, I'll take it. /shrug
Its ok you cut 2 others off now that the rules are clarified; however, don't expect a list to help you... no, anyone, in the future =x

fastboy21 03-04-2015 01:26 PM
basically, can't the person holding the camp hand it off to whomever they want?

or is there a situation where the camp holder would be forced by the rules to hand over the camp to someone.

example:

lets say I am holding frenzy camp. Player X enters camp and asks to be next in line. I tell player X that he isn't next in line.

  • Am I required to tell player X who the next player Y in line is?
  • Does there even have to be a player Y? Is it enough, according to the rules, to simply tell him that he is not next in line.
  • If I am holding the camp looking for a lore item am I obligated to give up the camp when the item drops? I.E. Can I hold the camp until player Y arrives? Or, can I corpse the lore item and continue doing the camp?
  • Can I hand the camp to a guildmate who hasn't been in zone despite the fact that player X (I never told him he was next when he asked) is sitting in the room?
  • If I had told player X or Y that he was next in line, can I change my mind and give the camp to someone else?


I rarely find myself in these situations, but I would like to know what the rules are since it appears that there is some room for rule lawyering if someone wants to do so.

azeth 03-04-2015 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
Am I required to tell player X who the next player Y in line is?
Yes, due to my response to question #2 below. You must identify the person in line for proof that they exist. Otherwise (read Q2 & A2 first) you can just lie and say there's a line for the purpose of screwing the guy that arrived & asked.

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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
Does there even have to be a player Y? Is it enough, according to the rules, to simply tell him that he is not next in line.
If there is no line when he arrives, he is entitled to the camp when you leave.

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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
If I am holding the camp looking for a lore item am I obligated to give up the camp when the item drops? I.E. Can I hold the camp until player Y arrives? Or, can I corpse the lore item and continue doing the camp?
If there is a player waiting, you cannot corpse a lore item to continue camping.

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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
Can I hand the camp to a guildmate who hasn't been in zone despite the fact that player X (I never told him he was next when he asked) is sitting in the room?
The player you are giving the camp to only has to be at the camp when the PH/Named dies. And there is a grace period of minutes.

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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
If I had told player X or Y that he was next in line, can I change my mind and give the camp to someone else?.
No you may not.

Halius 03-04-2015 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fastboy21 (Post 1808523)
  • Am I required to tell player X who the next player Y in line is?

    According to the GMs yes. As stated in this post: 2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately.

  • Does there even have to be a player Y? Is it enough, according to the rules, to simply tell him that he is not next in line.

    Also according to the GMs post, no it is not enough. You must reveal who the camp holder is so that you cannot change it on the fly. If that person did not actually ask you who is next, then yes you can give it to whoever you want. But if they ask then you must tell them who is next otherwise the "next" person has no valid claim. From the post: This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs.

  • If I am holding the camp looking for a lore item am I obligated to give up the camp when the item drops? I.E. Can I hold the camp until player Y arrives? Or, can I corpse the lore item and continue doing the camp?

    From the GM post: If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

    And technically you CAN hold the camp until player Y arrives, but player Y has to arrive around the time that the placeholder spawns. Which I suppose the amount of time allowed is up for debate but I always assumed it was 2-5 minutes. From GM post: 1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so.

  • Can I hand the camp to a guildmate who hasn't been in zone despite the fact that player X (I never told him he was next when he asked) is sitting in the room?

    See above, you HAVE to reveal who the next person is if they ask. If your guildmate was who you revealed that is fine, however, if you told the person someone else and then the guildmate shows up, they have no claim and it is FTE.

  • If I had told player X or Y that he was next in line, can I change my mind and give the camp to someone else?

Again, see above. You can't change who it is after you have revealed it.
Now obviously I have not been in these situations as I am only level 35 so take my opinion for what you will, but the GM post seems pretty clear cut to me, don't understand how it can be misinterpreted.

Toodles 03-04-2015 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ambrouis (Post 1807749)
Ok, here's the story. I was 2nd in line for frenzy so I went to lord and cleared everything from him to frenzy and back. The previous person at frenzy had already stated who he was handing the camp off to; however, when I cleared back for the 8th time, there was a cleric, metifo of divinity, sitting at the camp, I then sat there waiting for the monk to come back and as soon as the first mob spawned, he engaged. I let him know there was a list and he was cutting. After many tells, and a little while later, Moregan responded... and asked the cutter if there was a list /boggle
I was just reading this thread for the fun of it (as we do..) and then noticed you mentioned Metifo.

Not often do I mention people specifically on the forums however I(amongst others I know) have unfortunately run into questionable tactics and behavior by Metifo.

So it's likely whatever happened, he was in the wrong :)

Koota 03-04-2015 03:19 PM
Makes total sense, Toodles.

nurabsal66 03-04-2015 10:58 PM
Send more reinforcements!
 
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Originally Posted by Toodles (Post 1808733)
I was just reading this thread for the fun of it (as we do..) and then noticed you mentioned Metifo.

Not often do I mention people specifically on the forums however I(amongst others I know) have unfortunately run into questionable tactics and behavior by Metifo.

So it's likely whatever happened, he was in the wrong :)
You had to justify your reasoning for reading the thread? Questionable...

You didn't fabricate any stories of his wicked evilness? I'm disappointed. You're letting the readers down. =(

You're not a friend/guildy of Greenleafy of Asgard. Surely you're not a buddy trying to slander someone because you were asked to post here. Nah, of course not...


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