It's an open equation right now because there are 2 variables: damage mitigation and the rate at which you kill. Both of these increase the mana efficiency of the healer. If you're having to hold back on DPS, you're going to lose the edge having a better mitigation gives you.

When was the big warrior stand down in live? 2003 - 2004?

You could just force aggro on the warrior (although it makes him feel like an adult riding a bike with training wheels) by using root and making sure he is the closest one to the mob for proximity aggro. Multiple classes can cast it, including a mage's earth pet. Rangers have the perfect weapons for it... I was gonna put away my Ebony Bladed Swords that proc Ensaring Roots, but actually they're kinda useful with a warrior tank in the group.

Otherwise, as mentioned above, your DPS classes are going to have to wait way too long to engage and the mob lives longer, thus increasing the loss of the group's collective HP pool, which is killing your efficiency.

Yeah, and root is such a sloppy way to do it. With all that nuking going on it's definitely going to break a couple of times. Please put the Eblades away when I'm tanking =)

Only if you have aggro!

And Warriors tank fine at the higher levels. By that time wizards think twice before casting a nuke that could have a mob hitting them for 120s :p

Chanters tank fine. We have tash too.

If a warrior needs root to "hold aggro" (and I put that in quotes because it's not really holding aggro), then chances are the mob is ping-ponging around from the nuking anyway, so there's really no difference, is there?

At least with the eblades, when root breaks, the ranger is most likely taking the hits and not one of your casters, giving you a chance to re-aggro without getting a robe-wearer killed.

However, note I'm not going to get into an argument over whether rangers can mitigate damage better than a caster. ;)

Well they need to unlearn what they've learned from playing with warriors if they're playing with me because I can hold aggro at 100% as soon as my first spell goes off and I want them to chain nuke so we can get to the next mob.

Oh, I just read far enough back in the thread to see that you're an SK. Sorry, couldn't tell from your corpse in Mistmoore (or in Crushbone or wherever I saw it!) :)

Anyway, yes, I've got weapons to switch out the eblades with if I'm playing alongside a SK or Pally.

I've leveled up to 20 so far, and holding aggro is a bitch. On light blue, blue and sometimes white cons it's relatively easy to snap aggro. On yellows or reds, it's impossible. Aside from SKs and Paladins, monks and rogues will take aggro too. And the only decent proc weapon you can get that actually procs at a lower level (Obsidian Shards) cost 200-500pp each and as a Warrior you probably won't have much for plat. Otherwise we have to wait until level 25 for the gnoll hide lariats.

Yendor's suggestion to root works well, in fact I've been in groups with him where we used it. By the time root breaks, the mob will most likely be dead anyway. As the warrior all you have to do is stand right up in the mobs face. Easy mode. Not as reliable at higher levels but by that point you should have been able to buy or obtain decent proc weapons and DEX gear. I'm level 20 and I still have ZERO stat gear, sad but true. I can rarely loot because I'm often pulling, and to top that off as a smaller (DE) warrior I don't really have the ability to carry lots of stuff. But my plan was to get as much DEX gear as possible, and being the race that I am my DEX is already pretty decent. But for now I'm just trying to get to 25 for those lariats to work their magic.

Tempted to start up an Ogre Warrior again but reading this thread makes me almost wonder if it's not better to just put all points into DEX rather than the standard all into STA and maybe the remaining 7 into DEX to have an ogre warrior dex of 77.

Any high high high end warriors (or even ogre warriors) that could chime in on this thought?