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juicedsixfo 10-21-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Xantille (Post 439900)
THIS ALL SOUNDS VERY EMPIRICALLY VERIFIABLE. PLEASE, TELL US MORE.

Basically, this.

Buhbuh 10-21-2011 02:21 PM

I've been busy with school, otherwise I'd help with testing.

Don't cry about MR not working as intended with 10 casts on 25MR. Hardly anyone is going to run around with 25MR.

Test people with actual MR gear and who have levels over others, visa versa. How do these spells land on players who are 8 levels below another? What about 4 levels below? Is it harder to land on people who are higher?

Aside from the current tests going on, I'm conflicted about the resist ideas. I get that live made CC spells virtually irresistible after a certain point. There's an inverse to that, though. That can promote more grouping in PvP, just like having a different resist system could. It could be argued for either side. With spells not landing as much, people are likely to ask for help from classes with debuffs.

This isn't VZTZ. If some of you aren't familiar with that environment though, debuffs were almost entirely unnecessary in PvP. Root/ snares landed after a few casts despite being geared well. That definitely went hand in hand with the overpowered melee system-- stopping to attempt a debuff could be the difference in half of your life as a caster. It was pretty fucked up all around on VZTZ.

Just be careful to consider all the variables in changing resists. Some classes have a difficult time finding MR gear. That's something to consider.

I'm not saying it's anything like that on beta now, but I would avoid situations where debuffs are superfluous to PvP. There needs to be some balance there, a system that encourages the use of all the spells used in classic to win or survive in PvP. If the resists aren't classic, at least the PvP environment could match it to a certain degree. Maybe it already is that way. I'm curious.

Kungen 10-21-2011 02:40 PM

Most of you are fucking idiots. You sit here and write about things you haven't even tried. Half of you that bitch probably dont even have a 50 char on the beta.

Sure you hit a few roots and snares at 100-150, but have you actually experience how short they last? They last like 0.5-2 second max most of the times. So in the end if you spam root, you'll hit it SOMETIMES and when it hits it's gonna last like no time at all. Yeah RLY overpowered, you'll be way better off dispelling and dealing dmg or you'll never kill anyone. The only thing that the current resists helps with is if you're in a 3v1 situation and 1 or 2 ppl are dedicated on only spamming cc while the last guy do damage. Other then that CC is pretty damn useless. 100 MR is super easy to get for any class. You can get it all by pwning lowbie instances where mobs die in 1 nuke.

Muaar 10-21-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buhbuh (Post 440033)
It was pretty fucked up all around on VZTZ.


Amuk 10-21-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprinkle (Post 439885)
sorry bros but stil not classic , you shouldnt see much change till 100 mr

thats how it was on live , around pop elemental players hit 300 to almost all resists and saw a 60%ish global resist on magic crap ( less then 40% on spells )

in omens most anguish geared players hit 400 , raid geared 550 with buffs and you resisted all magic shit and 70% of DD ( Fire cold magic )

some may say this is not relevant but it is

100 mr isnt some goal , at 100 you should resist maybe HALF MAYBE

i played a war on live and had like 125mr and i got snared easily half the time , nukes? run from wizards and druids , fight in dungeons etc

this resist system is still basically carebear , definitley not classic pvp

50% resist to snares at 125 mr hahahhaa gasp hahahahah.

Amuk 10-21-2011 03:12 PM

60% resist with 300 mr bahahahahhaha holy smokes that post is terrible.

Muaar 10-21-2011 04:07 PM

just keep it classic. thats all anyone wants.

Vile 10-21-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Muaar (Post 440181)
just set it live. thats all anyone wants.


Silikten 10-21-2011 04:13 PM

Clearly Null's resist system is broke (troll).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p23HyWZ251I

This 3 minute caster battle is clearly just a nuke fest with neither of us resisting...Also, notice the partial at the end. Dispell was crucial in order to land spells because of people being buffed/geared well. As you can clearly see, my buffs provided me with a substantial edge unlike Fizzles in this case because he got dispelled pretty well.

Null's resist system was pretty much awesome in my books. It allowed "uber" players to be vulnerable at times and, well, weaker players to still have some sort of "chance."

Silikten 10-21-2011 04:14 PM

Also, here is me naked, resisting nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PvGC9mWQ3w&NR=1


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