It’s no different than unemployment at any other age

If a person can find a sense of purpose that is fulfilling to them, whether like starkind says that’s serving God or serving their community in some form, and if they still develop a healthy routine for themselves, then that person will be ok with unemployment (assuming they can still handle the basics of food/water/shelter/security) or retirement IMO

No one sane or good wants to rot away in a lazyboy. That is a disease of Satan and domination.

I do not think the forces of nature behave by any ideology

And socialization during work is normal. I met my wife AND my ex-wife at jobs I used to have. And many good friends. But I still think work itself is mostly engineered garbage to keep the masses from eating their masters.

The pandemic hinted at which jobs are BS and which are not, at least in the context of our overconsumptive, repulsive "culture"

I find that if someone's response to someone griping about work is "just get a better job" then they aren't thinking very deeply about the issue

https://youtu.be/imNtSPM3-r4

watch (listen) to that video starkind its great youll love it.

Cool video. Like 2 mins in. Ty.

Why is it only men whose potential retirement we've disccused, is it because I would guess most of us are men? Do the same things that often happen to men happen to women as well?

Most of the bosses I've had have been women.

My dad retired like three years ago and is kind of falling apart, my mom retired like fifteen years ago and she's still generally healthy for a woman her age AFAIK

Fork work. Do shit people cant do, sell services to rich people. Make bank.

We think it’s normal to socialize at work, but if we don’t have that outlet, most people aren’t striking up conversations with strangers at the grocery store or while pumping their gas

For a lot of people isolation at home means almost no in person socialization. Social skill is a skill that can grow or wane like any other depending on natural ability and frequency of use. And it can be an incredibly helpful skill to have in order to effectively communicate our needs and not allow others to manipulate us. This leaves people isolated at home vulnerable to difficulty in making friendships and especially romantic relationships, and difficulty just advocating for themselves in many other areas of life. Communication is a fairly crucial skill to have

Work also provides a benefit to the community, something you seem to keep glossing over. Without the exchange of goods and services, our civilization wouldn’t function

I believe you are either misunderstanding me or I am doing a poor job explaining myself, the former is more likely.

No society, regardless of its ideologies, will function without people working. From anarchy to fascism, and everything in between. Not even the anarcho-communist utopia I would prefer to see would work if nobody was making food or fixing up buildings.

I am just saying that our socialization predates the commodification of work. People did that before Adam Smith or Karl Marx or Adolf Hitler. We find ways to cooperate or fight.

The social isolation, which I did experience myself when I worked from home - and didn't care for - is due in part to the commodification of labor as well. People in retirement homes socialize, and most of them aren't working. Same with prisons. Work isn't necessary for socialization. It can help, but it's just a means to an end for many workers.

We live in separate houses, mostly, and many of us who live in apartment buildings may or may not even know our neighbor's names. We have our own cars, rather than taking public transportation. There are obviously pluses and minuses to all of these things.

It's all related. I personally believe a lot of it has been done deliberately, or at least it's been utilized that way over time. Why cubicles? Open office floorplans kinda suck, too, but cubicles are weird concepts to me in terms of segmenting workers. Like the drones get the cubes, and the boss gets the corner office. Why do many work places discourage workers speaking with one another except as it relates to work?

It's all meant, I think, to get us to not work together and take power back from the wealthy, basically. Just mentioning the word "union" here in the south in a workplace that isn't already unionized, be prepared to hunt for a new job.

I see the whole concept of taking pride in labor to enrich someone else as internalizing their exploitation of the value of my labor. I take pride in work that I have chosen and do for myself, not in getting my boss's bathroom remodeled.

That’s a valid point people can still socialize with their neighbors or whoever, it’s just that many people don’t tend to unless sort of forced into it in ways work can provide

It’s really just your thought paradigm. If you want to find problems with work, you can find problems with work. If you want to find benefits to working, such as the things I mentioned which can also be achieved outside of work but sometimes with quite a bit more effort, then you can find those

I personally don’t feel bitter about enriching my employer, because I like my employer and I feel I am paid adequately for the skillset I provide. I also feel glad to provide as good of a service as I can to our clients. As Abraham Lincoln said: “whatever you are, be a good one”. Your circumstance may be different, maybe you feel you are underpaid and undervalued, or maybe you are cutting corners in the service you provide to where you feel some guilt to not being a benefit to your customers