So you guys think I should delete my 16 cleric and reroll a halfling? Thats rough

I went high elf. 25 points into sta (75 extra hp at 60) to bring it to 95 and still start with 110 wisdom. Dwarves can start with 100 sta and 118 wis which is pretty cool too, but they are the ugliest of all races so... :/

With cleric it's not a huge deal either way, imo. Can be kinda hard starting out as gnome with such low wisdom, but by the time you hit 60 it shouldn't really matter. Difference between 102 and 118 base wis kinda big if you're not twinked, though.

Combined base sta/wis by race:
Dwarf: 188
High elf: 175
Halfling: 170
Erudite: 168
Human: 165
Dark elf: 163
Gnome: 152

plus the 30 creation points.

I went erudite solely for the looks and I have seen 1 erudite cleric so there's the unique factor. If you play smart, you will be fine on mana (just let that monk pulling 15 mobs a minute know that you're in charge!). Granted I do sometimes wish I would've went human just because they look better in plate :)

Pretty much, whatever head your going to enjoy looking at the back of for your healing career is what you should pick.

Play what you want. All the minmaxiers in the world can't make or break your enjoyment of playing your character. It's your character, not theirs.

Clerics never get a inviz spel,l so the Hide Sneak thingy is a plus. But I alwyus pretty much put a LOT of satrenght on them for starting points because you can wear some pretty heavy stuff if you got the plat. And it sucks to be encumbered all the time and can't really loot anything to help pay for spells.

It helps to have good Melee type gear so you can live when you get hit, and you do often. And you can be a Battle Cleric for sure in the lower levels with good Plate Type Gear. :D

I say just go with a class you like the looks of. It is a LONG way to get to 60, and you are the one that is going to be playing it, so enjoy the toon for the look, not a min max thing. This game is Suppose to be fun lol. :p

Red server perspective:

#1 - Innoruk Human (solid stats, access to see invis helm, access to snare neck, access to undead fear neck)

#2 Cazic-Thule Erudite (solid wis but horrible str, access to see invis helm and undead fear neck)

#3&4 tied Gnome (wall-looking) Halfling (hide/sneak, ok wall looking) *switch these with #1 and #2 position if 10-15k plat doesn't mean anything to you.*

#5 Dark Elf (Hide, snare neck)

#6/7 tied Dwarf/High Elf (brings nothing but stats to the table, which won't matter in velious)

Really the only thing that matters is the see invis helm, everything else is somewhere between non-factor or icing on the cake. If you're an established player with 15k to drop on a bracer of the hidden, halfling and gnome are the best. If you're a new player or just not rich, your life will be a LOT easier going innoruk human or erudite.

Personally I've rolled a few clerics and I've settled on Erudite. Human would be a bit more min/maxy but I like the unique factor. Only regret is the 70 strength.

innoruuk human doesn't get undead fear neck, but can wear the erudite regular fear faceplate

thanks, I wasn't 100% sure on that one. Innoruk human still slightly edges out Erudite in my books simply because you have enough starting strength to wear plate, but it's more an apples to oranges deal.

I would argue STA on a cleric is relatively useless. If you're in full plate I would say STR is more useful. Every cleric I've ever played has been perpetually overencumbered.

There is only one race appropriate for a Cleric, of course:

- Short, stubby, fierce... check.
- Grumpy, bark orders, /ragequit... check.
- Greedy, consider all loot to be their loot... check.
- Look AWESOME in Plate (and have the STR to carry it)... check.
- Purple makes them look cool (whereas DE look like grapes, HE look... LOL)... check.

Go Dwarves!

Bindolaf Werebane
Cleric of Brell Serilis