Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 1132813)

No argument from me there, but the road is long. Aside from leveling up to 60, you have the most gear dependent class in the game, and most of the gear you need is difficult to get without joining TMO.

I spent 1 million pp just getting weapons.

Originally Posted by DrKvothe (Post 1132143)

You're not really going to be a very successful soloer if you're meleeing, unless you're twinked to the gills. Even people who point to monk may be thinking of a pretty severely twinked monk.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 1132813)

No argument from me there, but the road is long. Aside from leveling up to 60, you have the most gear dependent class in the game, and most of the gear you need is difficult to get without joining TMO.

I spent 1 million pp just getting weapons.

Originally Posted by Elements (Post 1133211)

I think there are a few guilds around capable of doing the warrior epic. A couple pieces like the green scale and spiroc wingblade can be bought/MQd. And cobalt is overrated ).

Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 1133280)

Green scales are 400k and even if you can afford those the epic isn't enough; you really need a good proccing offhand. I'm sure you can get by without the cobalt bp/greaves and the crown of rile (certainly my iksar warrior manges) but they seem like a pretty decent upgrade to me.

Originally Posted by susvain0362 (Post 1131401)

Warriors are boring. Auto attack and taunt? And the occasional kick? dont do it. Everyones so twinked and they dont give you time to get aggro they just go all out right away.

I have a 32 paladin and its the greatest tank ever.

Originally Posted by Elements (Post 1133289)

Wow didnt know green scales had jumped up so much. Why does one need a proccing offhand?

Originally Posted by susvain0362

Warriors are boring.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 1133409)

Well in my opinion threat generation is the achilles heel of the warrior class and anything you can do to improve it will yield large dividends. My sperglord calculator suggests that Sakuragi's epic/shissar combo is 80 hate/sec, while the epic/epic is 67 hate/sec - a huge 20% improvement.

And arguably the difference is even larger because your threat is much more consistent. Spell hate is so much higher than melee hate that the enchanter/shaman/wizard are quite restricted until you manage a proc. With max dexterity and two proccing weapons, there is a 50% chance you'll get a proc within 11 seconds. Without the offhand proc, that becomes 17 seconds. For 90% the numbers are 37 seconds and 56 seconds. Your worst case is a lot worse.

Now to some extent this applies more to XP group/trash mob situations because you can always blow mallets. But Velious will make the mallets a lot less effective again. So anyway, obviously you can survive as a warrior without a proccing offhand. But I think it makes you considerably less effective.



As someone who mains an enchanter I find warriors surprisingly fun. I think I'd like paladins even more, but unfortunately they just aren't viable raid tanks.

Originally Posted by Elements (Post 1133502)

Yea I get what you are saying and I dont disagree with the numbers but for practical purposes I have not experienced it making much of a difference. At 60 if you are doing small group camps (shaman/war duo, cleric war duo, chanter/cleric/war) or some other variant I've never run into agro issues. If you toss a rogue in there that likes to bs before you tag a mob and fails to evade before a proc then yea it can be frustrating. But there usually isnt a rush to kill phs and for named you can just use a mallet charge or a net.