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Nirgon 02-22-2013 02:52 PM

This guy (believe he's 60) reports getting hit with 240 poison once (twice? once hit by 2 in translation heh) and resisting it once during a fight. Which sounds very correct to me, source. Perhaps someone who is more fluent at reading the dialect on this page can achieve a better translation than the google translation.



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SV-P but was ranked 240 in the Buff & BARD SONG equipment and, once hit by 2, AE Breath Resist once was.

Nirgon 02-22-2013 03:42 PM

Final nail in the coffin imo regarding resists past 255 for this server and its era, source http://innoruukguildalliance.yuku.co...on-is-possible:
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Resists past 255 don't matter, there's a cap at that point. Used to be that it would roll over, so that if you got 256 PR, you really only had 1. And we wondered why Trak would always land his ae on us =p
Level based and further comments on dragon roar being goddamn ridiculous to resist:
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I look at it this way. you can't realistically expect to kill Sevrilous if you're under 57 unless everyone else with you is 57+. I've heard all the horror stories of warrior with 200+ MR getting feared and spells resisted etc. I know you can't hunt Nagafen after 52 unless your guild is willing too let you sit out the actual dragon combat. Go in, help clear the giants and then let them take down Naggy for you but Sevrilous at level 53 is a joke.”

Elderan 02-22-2013 05:25 PM

I killed trakanon over 100 times on Veeshan back in Kunark and Velious. If you had over 235 PR at level 60 you would rarely get hit. Most of us would switch to DPS gear as long as our resists were higher then 235.

Trakanon was never meant to be a healing check fight. It was always a DPS check fight. If he was not dead within 3 (4 if you pulled and waited for first AE) AEs your raid was not ready and would die in most cases.

Trakanon's AE seems to work here just like it did back in the day.

Nirgon 02-22-2013 05:38 PM

I'm saying lvl 55's (look at the quote about not being 57+ and dragon fear from Sev) with 110 should get hit every time.

This needs a test, logs posted and I promise I'll admit any faults.

Observe the corpses at these kills in VELIOUS era (hi2u BD bracers):
http://www.agonyguild.com/events/aug...1trakthumb.jpg
http://www.agonyguild.com/events/jul...20011trak3.jpg

You had to kill him fast because the breath (Trak touches that port you aside) WHICH SHOULD BE LANDING would rip you down. It's not landing, especially on targets that should obviously get hit by it every time. I am in *no way* disagreeing that you could to kill him fast to win.

Here? You'll consistently and easily resist the breath.

Dragon roar is another issue :P, 52 melee with 180 magic resist it over and over and over... you could have 200+ and get hit by it fairly conistently on live.

Nizzarr 02-22-2013 06:07 PM

People were barely even 60 back on live.

Even in legacy of steel, we never had full 60s raid until mid velious.

The more you know.

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/home/ar...2-16%5Clds.jpg

thats like two weeks into velious.

Problem here is everybody knows about all the poison resists items and theres some items (blue diamond gear) that shouldnt be here. oh and everybody is 60.

Nirgon 02-22-2013 06:15 PM

Finally a raid guide:
http://www.angelfire.com/freak/eqjonze/maps/

Specifically: http://www.angelfire.com/freak/eqjon...s/trakanon.htm

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Get 175 PR, might use a few buffs and potions. Too much PR is a waste. Levels are more important for resisting the AE then your resists
175+ helps of course, but this is still going to have a good chance of landing regardless. Hence why having aoe healing and abolish poison available is so helpful.

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Clerics use group heals and paladins use their level 55 group heal, at least 1 paladin and one cleric or 2 clerics in each group would make the fight almost trivial.
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All healers that are not doing group heals, abolish poison and heal whoever yells or on the main tank.
Notice how it doesn't say "get 235 because it will help so much/make you immune" or "if everyone is at 200 you should have nothing to worry about". It's just going to land on people almost regardless of crazy high poison resist, it is (again!) a -150 resist check from a lvl 65 mob! Right now, I see basically everyone get resists when it goes off. Everyone 57 or lower should be getting hit by this pretty much every single time, few resists if any, the reverse of what I see now.

Further his tap:
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A quick fight means his lifetap (not the same as VS by the way) wont hit much and he wont be able to AE as much.
I think he will just proc his tap and it will damage rune and its not the same (prevention wise) as VS from this link. Hopefully it is working this way here, I don't tank him.

I was 60 in velious, fought him and can attest that raid guide is correct. Even with blue diamond/velium diamond jewelry/drape/DMF/resists... I got hit by that Trak AoE breath. With that gear and being 60 here, it might hit me one in 70+ times. Again, test it against envenomed bolt, it is too similar here.


Much to your relief, the prosecution truly and finally rests its case against a very trivial Trakanon on the P99 servers (thanks for fixing shadoo + resist poison).

Nizzarr 02-22-2013 06:23 PM

The trak aoe is fine here. not that it matters anymore, we dodge the first aoe and he dies in 25 seconds now.

It lands all the time on people with 300+ pr, theres nothing wrong with it. Your forumquest is over.

Nirgon 02-22-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nizzarr (Post 859864)
It lands all the time on people with 300+ pr, theres nothing wrong with it. Your forumquest is over.

Yeah well resisting at 120 under lvl 57 here, I disregard your claim.

This isn't about how fast anyone kills it or if they should be able to continue it or not. Trak breath and dragon fear here are pretty sad.

It's about the content, which is currently rather off concerning a center piece of Kunark content.

Tasslehofp99 02-22-2013 06:42 PM

My 60 monk gets hit at lvl 60 with 250 to 300 pr...2 cure poison pot clicks and I'm gtg.

Bamzal Sherbet 02-22-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nizzarr (Post 859857)
People were barely even 60 back on live.

Even in legacy of steel, we never had full 60s raid until mid velious.

The more you know.

http://www.legacyofsteel.net/home/ar...2-16%5Clds.jpg

thats like two weeks into velious.

Problem here is everybody knows about all the poison resists items and theres some items (blue diamond gear) that shouldnt be here. oh and everybody is 60.

lol look at all those people feared... even 60s in velious gear


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