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					Originally Posted by Lazortag
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				Just to clarify something - most feminists believe that all gender roles are bad, not just the ones that directly suppress women.  For instance, if it's more socially accepted for a woman to slap a man, your average feminist would be categorically opposed to that, even if it seems to benefit women.  Feminists primarily focus on the plight of women only because they're more often disadvantaged by gender roles, but the fact that some gender roles work in their favor isn't evidence that feminism is backward or stupid.   
 
I'm not sure I agree with everything Deathgirl said but she's right that there's some methodological problems with the video, in that the force being used by the woman is clearly less than that being used by the man, so you can't adequately compare people's reactions 
			
			 
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 I know where you're going with this, and I don't necessarily disagree with it.
 
Say I'm at a bar and a woman slaps me in the face. That shit hurts. I don't care if you're Mr. Universe, getting slapped in the face stings no matter how frail and weak the woman is or how strong you are. My first reaction is to push her away from me, remove the problem from my vicinity. She stumbles backward, trips, and she thumps her head on the ground.
 
Now all the sudden, I'm viewed as the monster. Even though she did more direct physical damage to me, and I was simply trying to remove her to avoid further conflict (let alone the fact that when people see a woman slap a man, they automatically assume he deserved it for some reason). The focus automatically shifts to me, because I'm the man and "OMG you pushed her and made her fall! What if she has a concussion??". Cause and effect goes right out the window.
 
If I took anything but a passive role in this situation people would assume I was the aggressor. It doesn't matter that she is the one hitting me. If I yell, people assume she is defending herself against me. If I restrain her, people think she is fighting to get away. Anything but just taking it will land me in an assumed position of guilt from most people. And that. Is. Wrong.
 
Or, like I told Deathgirl earlier. What happens if I exert the same force on a woman that she's exerting on me? What if I level the playing field? What happens if I just hit the bitch softer than she's hitting me? It wouldn't matter. 
 
This is a horrible double standard that people just seem to look the other way about because "that's just the way it is".  
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