Dyes are a crucial part of a trade skill? Since when?

Well in a round about way it is beneficial to those working on trade skills.
They help people that are working on alchemy and poison skills by giving them other options for skill ups as well as more items to sell to players. Also, it makes fine steel items a bit more desirable for people to purchase. So in short, it helps the trade skill economy / community.

You said it all guneapig. I've spent countless hours and several thousands of plat on smithing in order to raise the skill high enough so I was able to make fine plate only to find out that the dyes that would make my product more desirable have been taken out of the game because of the rubycite.

Lets face it rubycite was always seen as crap since the early days with the exception of the BP which was nice on a twink. Even fine plate is crappy and intented only for low to mid lvls so its not like you would be seeing every one running arround wearing it, its actually quite easy to distinguish someone in a set of dyed fine plate.

You are still yet to prove that the dyes were in the game Pre-Kunark so stop this bullshit about the "devs taking them out of the game because of Rubicite."

This shit works very simply. Prove it is supposed to be in the game and the Dev's will add it.

Thus far, you have not proved that this should be CURRENTLY in the game.

I love how he ignored the flurry of patches dealing with fixing tints as if that would have happened some large block of time after it was introduced..

His interpretation:

Verant starts EQ with tintable FP armor.
It is obviously wrong, to the point where it needs to be fixed because it dyes peoples skin.
Verant does nothing for TWO YEARS +.
One day, out of the blue, they decide to fix it, releasing 4+ patches dealing with the problem within a 1 week period and calling it an IMPENDING CHANGE.

Do you guys remember having tinted skin for two years? I sure as hell don't!
Hilarious no?

Those patches were all during the implementation/transition of/to Luclin. All they show is that they had bugs with them at that point.

I remember people having various colored armor back in the day but it was only the plate classes...and no one had it cause it was super spendy. Also there are no posts on EQTraders about all these supposed bugs that lasted years. I even found all the spawn locations for the ground spawn items needed:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4...oundspawns.jpg

Here is another info page (this page extends down to say how to apply it to the armor, and states once done it cannot be undone. EVER):

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/821/moreinfo.jpg

Notice how the items drop ONLY in the old world? This gives hints to the era. Why introduce this in late Velious/Luclin era, and make all the drops and the only places to purchase the items needed in the old world? And only apply this dye to old extremely out-dated armor? You have to think of what tradeskill stuff was able to be made by the Velious era. We had leather armor for rogues that trump even the best raid dropped armor now. Why would they implement the dye for old worthless armor at that point? They wouldn't.

Notice how it's for armor that's pretty much too expensive to make to even be worth it? A whole set isn't that much better than bronze, and it's craaazy spendy to make. That's why you didn't see a lot of it.

Do you have anymore info other than some patch notes that indicated that during the readying of Luclin they had issues with it? I am all about keeping it classic and implementing these recipes when they are supposed to be implemented, but your data sucks. What we have posted trumps yours. Of course the more specific we find the better we'll be.

Feel free to add anyone. The more information we have the better chance we have of figuring this out!

Uh... really? Yall have shown NOTHING so far that shows armor dye is pre-kunark, and barely have information showing its pre-velious.

So no - your data sucks.

You guys need to get something through your head. What you have to do is prove it WAS in the game, we don't have to prove it WASN'T in the game.

What do you think has a better chance of being in the patch notes?

#1 "Added/Updated dyed fine plate into the game on this date"

#2 "There still isn't fine plate dye in the game!"

I really would like to hear from Nilbog about this. Isn't he the one in charge? President quit being a troll. I'm done talking to you.

The information we have now firmly puts the items/recipes in game by Kunark. Thus far this is the best information we have. As I said the more specific the better. I have yet seeing a patch note that says the shit was added? All I see is patch notes saying that it was bugged at some time right before Luclin.

So do you have any information to add or are you just here to just yap yer trap?

Thus it stands it WAS in game by a few months into Kunark according to the data we have found. Anyone have anymore information?

Really? Trolling? All I have done is tell you what the GM's require when making a change to the game. By continuing to IGNORE that and DEMANDING TO TALK TO THE LEADER you are the one being no better than a troll.

Sitting here whining about wanting to talk to a GM when multiple have people here have told you that you need to find evidence of when dyes existed is pathetic. Not to mention multiple stating IT WASN'T IN CLASSIC.

You need to get it out of your head that I am responding in an attempt to "troll" or "crush" your idea. If you want to get dyes for fine plate added to the game, you need to do exactly what I have stated in every post, and find proof of when it existed. (Thus far, it only seems to have been proven that it was post Kunark, pre Luclin).

Oh, and if you want to get GM's attention, ignoring helpful posts and whining in an incessant manner is not the way to do it.