None of this matters. If the person is not in your guild, you wait to engage until you can get a new FTE shout.

Sirken is 100% right, and this is something we've been preaching for months now. "He didn't have a guild tag, it must have been ours after he died!" is horrible rule lawyering at best or a blatant disregard for the rules at worst.

As long as the guild in question is following all the appropriate rules (# on spawn, etc), they are fine. I understand that this could be confusing, but you all know who your members are. Raid leaders should not be telling everyone to pile on when someone not in their guild has FTE.

If you get aggro on someone else's FTE message, die, FD, gate/cap out, or otherwise drop the aggro immediately. We really thought we had drilled this point home enough already.

Well im going to point out that I had no idea who Golden was when he FTE'd. we were talking about this untagged toon in guild before Faydedar popped. I was one of the trackers and chose to"wait and see" like we have been told to "wait and see." in the past, even though I thought an unguilded character getting FTE and then receiving the TMO tag while they rest of them hopped onto the agro list was pretty shady.

I petitioned while they were mid pull. Eunomia responded saying she could not rule in raid disputes and to submit a petition on the forum. I did. there has not been a response to that petition either.


[Sun May 25 00:28:29 2014] Golden is not in a guild.
[Sun May 25 00:32:51 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun May 25 00:32:51 2014] ---------------------------
[Sun May 25 00:32:51 2014] There are no players in Timorous Deep that match those who filters.
Sun May 25 00:32:53 2014] Players in EverQuest:
[Sun May 25 00:32:53 2014] ---------------------------

[Sun May 25 00:32:53 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Golden <The Mystical Order>

not going to speak for IB, but taken definitely did NOT know. we are not present fighting TMO on every Class C and FFA engage. So we took the wait and see approach like we have been told to do. This is being made out to be just TMO vs IB but they were not the only guilds present.

I was chatting with Aalpha last week about how hilarious it would be if about 12 VP keyed people apped BDA to kill Silverwing and push them into Class C. I'm sure Sirken and Derubael would sort it out, but RNF might just explode in the mean time.

How are we supposed to be able to see how many players a guild has at a spawn point or locally for FTE when they are being allowed to use untagged chars that no-one has seen before to pull with? If Golden has indeed FTE'd before as has been suggested I have never once seen him doing that and on asking around nor have others.

I believe allowing guilds to use untagged chars in this manner leaves the situation open to abuse, something I thought the new raid rules were trying to prevent.

as i told Hokushin, if they have more than two reps, let us know and i'll smash their face. but they were following the rules, so you guys had absolutely zero right to just skip over the rules simply because you couldnt figure out what was happening.

everyone read this carefully, EVEN IF Golden was a legit unguilded scrub, if he has FTE, thats his dragon. and EVEN THEN you are not allowed to KS the mob.


there is no universe that exists where u can paint a picture of what happened at Fay and walk away being right. you guys are 110% in the wrong.