just calling bullshit because 6 years would mean you've raided till at least the start of cata/end of ICC, if you had actually raided in those expacs you would realize the fault of your statement

Not sure why you guys are comparing WoW to EQ raiding here, simple fact is one has Open FiF 3-7 day spawns vs Instanced mobs accessible to everyone with numbers.

Getting keyed for HS could take you longer than getting keyed for Onyxia if you tried to camp the drops yourself, let alone comparisons to VP key (or Sshra temple, VT and let's not talk PoP flag shit here ).

The only time shit didn't die fast enough in WoW was when it was "designed" that way. BWL drages being immune to taunt making an entire faction unable to control aggro well and go with tank rotation, bugged C'thun, 4 horsemen needs of full tier2 tanks just for taunt/mocking blow success rates. Same bottlenecks (good decked-out tanks , melee with max'ed out resists, enough +healing, enough raid DPS) different flavor.

What made a difference though was people had enough experience in playing/raiding in EQ that it actually showed in WoW. You could simply tell, by the little things -- Like tanks LoS pulling casters in Wailing Caverns, or carefull pulling in Deadmines / Like rogues/mages/locks not attacking bosses at all in the first 8-10 seconds or switching to adds without anyone having to tell them to. Just small things. Add to that experience the later voice communication programs and add-ons (CT_Raid assist, decursing etc) and you had it.

Even the guild bans that Blizzard dished out, could tell you what was going on. Conquest (EQ raiding guild) got trashed for using Eyes of the Beast'ed pets to pull MC bosses at the zonein and kill them, because they were foolishly not leashed and the trash was not adding (more lucky than exploit).
Overrated got trashed for patch5 drop from Prophet to C'thun (direct violation) - granted Blizzard forgot to add loot tables to the real bosses inside AQ40 (pre and post twin emperors trash mob packs) which was what caused full clears take thrice the amount of time needed.


Gear repair bills VS exp loss.
Wiping inside Onyxia's instanced Lair vs wiping while trying to break Fear.
40 man AQ40 instanced raids with voice communication -VS- 90 or 110 or even 140+ man raids in Plane of Water (for flagging purposes) without voice com.

I have raided vanilla and every expansion for wow except for the latest. And I stand by my statement that eq was a bigger time sink.

filthy fuckin casual

Anyone who says otherwise is only kidding themselves; or has forgotten; or never raided in EQ before things became "farm" status.

lol

VT wasn't instanced, if you took a break you'd come back and see that someone had done the rest of the work for you. :cool:

That's what I was getting at.

If you had to finish the WoW raids all in one sitting (at least the classic ones) you would be spending quite a great deal of time there (pre-easymode farm status).