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SirAlvarex 04-18-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Swish (Post 925984)
Most likely these days if the group's dps is well geared, which by the 40's is often the case :)

It's when adds turn up or when the shit hits the fan that a shammie will struggle with no CC...slowing the mob is going to draw aggro, then its having to ghetto CC with root etc.

A standard group with a decent puller is a recipe for success... I just remember struggling with PoP content in terms of hard hitting mobs and having to main heal without CH, though torpor was a blessing :)

I would say any class that had to slow, heal, and CC would have trouble being OOM...I mean that's basically everything needed to trivialize an encounter.

Unless you're a Bard, then it's just you doing what you do.

Droog007 04-18-2013 04:38 PM

If you're running OOM casting slow, chances are you're casting it on mobs that are dying too fast to need it,

contemptor 04-18-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Auvdar (Post 926029)
Hey now us druids get a AC debuff with Vellious! Oh, and group Skin! And some junky heal.

And that little bear pet! Don't forget the bear pet!.... >_<

We are just over glourified PLers/Porters.. But hell, it makes great money :D

edit: At least I think that junky chloroblast heal... That could be Luclin I dunno.

I think we immediately get Nature's touch in Velious for just under 1k... better than nothing.

Splorf22 04-18-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by webrunner5 (Post 925925)
Shaman slow is WAY overrated because it takes a shit pot of mana to keep casting it. Between Haste and buffs a Shaman is always oom. There is a reason the devs gave them Canni. Solo well maybe, but in a group no way you can keep up with pull after pull slowing and healing etc.

Web is a nice guy but he is wrong here. . . turgurs is in the running for one of the single best spells in the game. Arguably if you had a class that could cast that 1 spell and do nothing else . . . well they wouldn't suck.

citizen1080 04-18-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Splorf22 (Post 926414)
Web is a nice guy but he is wrong here. . . turgurs is in the running for one of the single best spells in the game. Arguably if you had a class that could cast that 1 spell and do nothing else . . . well they wouldn't suck.

This

Splorf22 04-18-2013 08:43 PM

You know I was going to make a list of the best spells in the game, but then I realized they were all enchanter/shaman spells :D Clerics get CH, Necros get FD, Mages get the epic pet, Wizards get Lures, Druids get nothing, and literally all the other good spells are enchanter or shaman.

Kieu 04-18-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by webrunner5 (Post 925925)
Shaman slow is WAY overrated because it takes a shit pot of mana to keep casting it. Between Haste and buffs a Shaman is always oom. There is a reason the devs gave them Canni. Solo well maybe, but in a group no way you can keep up with pull after pull slowing and healing etc.

You realize there is a point to their haste being lower than a enchanters, and an enchanters slow being lower than a shamans? mk

Also, shamans do not heal in group at high levels, a cleric is a must.

Calabee 04-19-2013 01:37 AM

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Also, shamans do not heal in group at high levels, a cleric is a must.
...?????? happens all the time.

Maybe not on high lvl RAIDS. (eeeh, actually torpor shaman is ALWAYS in main tank grp) but xp / farm grps? uh, yes.
Hell. i've tanked sebilis as a bard with necro heals

Not sure where ur coming from

Done 04-19-2013 01:55 AM

People neglect to realize how much slow trivializes encounters, apparently.

SirAlvarex 04-19-2013 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Calabee (Post 926800)
...?????? happens all the time.

Maybe not on high lvl RAIDS. (eeeh, actually torpor shaman is ALWAYS in main tank grp) but xp / farm grps? uh, yes.
Hell. i've tanked sebilis as a bard with necro heals

Not sure where ur coming from

With Necro heals? That's rough. I could see Shaman with Torpor. I've done groups where I was the defacto tank and that was the primary heal.

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People neglect to realize how much slow trivializes encounters, apparently.
Seriously. 75% slow is so overpowered. Combine that with a chain-stunning class (Bard Mez for example) and mobs do absolutely no damage. Except for those magic immune ones, of course.


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