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DeathsSilkyMist 09-21-2022 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlsNoBan (Post 3508390)
There's quite a few rogue mobs scattered around. I honestly think even regular warrior mobs would do more properly hasted with weapons. I don't have parses readily available to compare but I've played enchanters extensively and never seen a warrior do more. Like ever. Possible I never grouped with warriors that were twinked sufficiently? Dunno
This "a glyphed sentry" (level 27-29 Warrior) has 37% haste from Alacrity (to simulate Tola Robe), and a torch in offhand:

 

[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry says 'Do not underestimate the might of Mistmoore!'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry tells you, 'Attacking a glyphed warder Master.'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:11 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:12 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 29 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:18 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:21 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:24 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage..
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:28 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:29 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:45 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:47 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:49 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 40 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:00 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 48 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:04 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:10 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:11 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 37 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 50 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] a glyphed warder has been slain by a glyphed sentry!
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with AgentsofMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with KingTearisThex got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with LeagueofAntonicanBards got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with MayongMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] You gain experience!!


1436 in 1 minute 16 seconds = 18.9 DPS

Here is my 24 Warrior fighting a level 24 mob with just 22% worn haste from Silver Chitin Hand Wraps, so he could still be spell hasted. He is using Wurmslayer and Fist of Zek. This example doesn't have crit/crippling blows:

 

[Wed Aug 31 07:38:53 2022] Auto attack on.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 52 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:57 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 73 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:59 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:00 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:07 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:08 2022] You kick a froglok vis shaman for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:10 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:16 2022] a froglok vis shaman begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:17 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] a froglok vis shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] A froglok vis shaman feels much better.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You have slain a froglok vis shaman!
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got worse.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You gain experience!!


772 over 29 seconds = 26.6 DPS

Obviously more parses are needed to get a true average, but you can see that a charmed Warrior Pet's DPS isn't leagues ahead of what a Warrior could do. Even if it averaged out to where the Charmed Warrior Pet's DPS is 1 or 2 higher, that won't be a significant difference. You will be killing things well with a Warrior's DPS in the low levels.

PlsNoBan 09-21-2022 05:59 PM
If you say so man. I've had first hand experience dozens of times. I don't really care about anyone's questionable parse data.

https://i.imgur.com/Y0FJYxo.gif

PlsNoBan 09-21-2022 06:53 PM
You know what they say "A picture is worth 1000 words" and the above GIF has 16 frames. Therefore via the power of math I just said "I'm out" 16,000 times.

https://i.imgur.com/ayJdQ0F.png

and I just said another 1000 to prove it. I know you'll appreciate the math and data here DSM <3

Jimjam 09-21-2022 06:56 PM
No one is taking a glyphed ghoul as a pet to guk. You need to run oarae on the same mob in the same zone imo.

VesperVapes 09-21-2022 06:56 PM
I'm making a warrior because Gimli

Troxx 09-21-2022 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxigen (Post 3508392)
oh boy here we go another 300 pager
https://c.tenor.com/ezqHvLHnyfkAAAAM...e-go-again.gif

Gloomlord 09-21-2022 10:00 PM
Yes, I know about root tanking. I know how to make a warrior tank work in a group.

All I'm saying is that it's frustrating when you have a lazy group member refusing to root and give the warrior time to get aggro. Did the developers intend for warrior, a tank class, to be so bad at holding aggro?

Troxx 09-21-2022 11:32 PM
https://wiki.project1999.com/Osargen

Charmed whut?

Jimjam 09-22-2022 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloomlord (Post 3508454)
Yes, I know about root tanking. I know how to make a warrior tank work in a group.

All I'm saying is that it's frustrating when you have a lazy group member refusing to root and give the warrior time to get aggro. Did the developers intend for warrior, a tank class, to be so bad at holding aggro?
No, sword and board was their intended to tank set up. Bash stun was meant to scale aggro with target mob hp the same way spell stun aggro does. Taunt was intended to work on yellow/reds at reduced efficiency instead of not at all.

They just fucked up the warrior’s two main tools to obtain and maintain aggro.

Goobles 09-22-2022 04:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloomlord (Post 3507255)
Why do we have to babysit warriors through the levelling process? Can't they get Provoke?

Everytime I group with a warrior, I groan with frustration, and then watch as both DPS and slowers proceed to pull of them and make a mess of things.
Let's start with simple quality of life improvements, such as guild or raid window. Or maybe /key


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