one big one -- NPCs don't drop items you give them, so no charming mobs, giving them weapons with good procs and getting them back later!

I wasn't a big pet user in classic but I've been told classically they would take on delay of any weapons given, so you could give pets low delay weapons and speed them up. Don't know if it's true or if this was also nerfed classically but it's certainly not true here. Maybe someone who does remember can flesh this one out :)

-Propo Fol

Removed at the end of Velious. If/when we find a way to make this happen, we will.
Willing to remove this guy if he's found to be non classic. Someone make a bug report.

This wasn't removed until 2002.

If/when we find a way to make this function with no bugs or exploits, we will.

The problem with trying to get non-classic mechanics fixed is posts like these, where someone comes into a thread and simply states something that is flat out wrong, yet they state it with full conviction and often times cite "specific events" which they are clearly not remembering properly. Thus, from the perspective of nilbog, despite having a plurality of folks arguing one side, we now have someone arguing the other side and without some definitive time-stamped proof, which often times is unavailable, what else can nilbog do? It's hard to make a change when two camps essentially end up arguing over whose memory is sharper.

In this particular example, it's overwhelmingly clear that coin-dropping is classic, it's just that it's tough to implement, as nilbog stated. Discussions over other game mechanics that were obviously non-classic have been muddied in this way, though, such as certain green-con mobs which are supposed to aggro (e.g. goblins in Droga).

Also, on the topic of Lord Shin Ree, on ZAM we find the following excerpt dated August 23, 2000:

So many noobs in 2000 however, a lot of people posted a lot of crap on Allakhazam, Everlore and various other sites that was just conjured up rather than factual.

The really big one that I've noticed is that mobs have a full spellbook to their level. The first mobs that I remember getting a full-spellbook relative to their level was the Sentries in the Sleeper's Tomb revamp. The first day that opened, we went in there and they were casting GSS which was unheard of at the time.

On live, you would fight a level 49 wizard mob, and they would spam level 34 wizard nukes. Here, if a mob is level 49 - you bet your ass it's already killed Naggy/Vox (or quested Staff of the Wheel) and researched Ice Comet.

Mobs here regen hps pretty damn fast once no longer engaged.

Undead doesnt social agro if you havent regenerated any taunt on it [IE: Just run by specs in Oasis without attacking/casting, they would bounce on nearest target].

If you were in a wide enough zone, you could agro something, intentionally or accidental, run out far enough and it would eventually roam back to its spawn point after you waited long enough, kinda like it said Screw it im tired of chasing you, im going home! [Insert cartman voice here] - On SZ I would get tipped off when an Evil guild was raiding [I was team neut, GO NEWT!] and would zone into PoFear, run to the furthest corner possible and the mobs that agro'd at zone in would back off.

I'll add more as I remember.. too hungover atm.

What he means basically, is if they find a way to prevent people from trading no-drop items via charmed mobs, they might consider it.


Some mobs always had a full spellbook, but it was mainly the named ones like Djarn for example iirc.
One other issue with caster mobs is namely in Seb/Chardok, where in my opinion casters do not gate frequently enough. From what I remember back in live, these mobs would try to escape via gating a lot of times. From the rare occations I have seen one of them actually cast a gate, and get it off, they also somehow/someway reappear at their spawn point having regained a portion of their HPs. Which is again something I don't remember happening back in live.




That is something I do not recall of happening, like ever. If you agro'ed something via proxy, intentionally, unintentionally or by any way or means -- It would chase the hell out of you all over the zone. The only way you would 'dump' agro is if you died or if you zoned (or gated/ported/FD'ed, you get the picture). Even if your mobs were derailed towards someone who might draw them due to low HP agro, or bigger social agro - they would still remember you and come chasing you to where ever you found refuge.

No, it is very well known (at least in classic EQ) that mobs did not forget you unless you died, zoned, or killed it. I Remember when i started WoW, mobs would eventually forget you if you ran far enough, thought it was so strange

Are you a wizard?