Well I am doing it with my troll SK, so I am using the forge right by the entrance to the SK trainer tunnel (where the NPC who sells the regents for blacksmithing as well). Like I said, I have tried a couple of those recipes, and same result for some reason, not trying it in a culteral forge(I did that once early on in the ogre city before I found their other forge lol) so I know its not that. Is their any body else having a problem with that particular forge? If so I will report it to the bug forums, it really feels like a bug, but I have never really messed with blacksmithing too much(did it on live for a bit with my old SK, but that was it) so I wanted to be sure I didn't need a smithing hammer and it was just not listed on EQtraders for some reason, but looks like I am doing everything right.

Oh and yes, I automatically use the experiment window in anything I craft, force of habbit, and I never liked the live EQ craft skills window that popped up anyway to search for recipes, just didn't like it for some reason, always seemed easier to just use the experiment window.

That is the cultural forge... use the one inside the building up the hill from that forge.

ok will try that, didn't think that was the cultural one though, thought i would get a message if it was lol

that worked, thank you so much!