Any guild that killed Warders would have had multiple Primals. They typically dropped 3-4 per kill IIRC.

My guild on Xev was doing Plane of Hate/Fear and dragons like Talendor as their raiding. Talendor was on some rotation system too shared amongst a few guilds.

This was during velious era too.

On Xev I remember there was one super elite guild and it was rumored you couldnt even app unless you had your epic.

For most people I think having Kunark tradeables and a dew raid pieces was as good as it got.

P99 kinda skews the raid scene a ton and I think thats why there are alot of people addicted to raiding here as it simply just wasnt something that 90% of the pop did much off on live.

I knew of the raid zones on live but didnt know anything about them - and tbh never touched VP/Trak/VS/Fay and most of Velious till P99.

I remember doing arena a few times and killing vindi once.

So in short no...the concept of BiS was for a tiny portion of the EQ community. Getting your epic was a BALLER move not running around drippijg in NtoV gear and to be frank most people would have inspected ntov geared toons and had no clue what they were looking at anyhow.

Also velious was “beat” in a few weeks with kunark gear - so velious gear is largely irrelevant on this box.

On live they weren't time locked for 10+ years at velious. So no, nobody was full BIS. Especially when Luclin came out and new BIS was around.

People did not have full BiS on live. Expansions came out about every year and people did not have all the knowledge that people had here. People didn't have BiS Kunark when Velious came out and they certainly weren't killing bosses so early on. AoW and Tunare were killed just a handful of times before Luclin.

I never seen a BIS item on live or a primal in use, didn't know they existed.

I did not know how bad I was at EQ until I played on P99 a few years... it was quite an eye opening experience. Ate quite a slice of humble pie when I started raiding here.

*shrug*, being "good" at EQ / P99 is simply a matter of time you spend playing. There are no problems to solve in this game and no skill really involved (unless you factor in PvP).

The less time you spend IRL with your friends, family, or studying / working / traveling, the better you can be at EQ.

Don't know if there ever was any humble pie to be had.

This is going to be dependent entirely on class, of course, but I’ve found that there’s a veritable gear plateau on my torp shaman that I never really felt pre-luclin on live. Get to 3k hp and over 1k ac, and any gear improvement has felt roughly the same. This is probably not going to be the case on my SK, who has a real “thirst” for gear, but there’s definitely a plateau for many classes in terms of “good gear” vs “BiS” even making the game noticeably different for people.

Anyone want to chime in?

For some reason, people feel entitled here and every casual believes they deserve raid loot. Most people on live didn't dream of the day