Originally Posted by Korben (Post 1659777)

So, get ready to scream NOT CLASSIC, but the windows we have are totally not classic but... what if mobs like VS, Trak, even Sev perhaps, were just random on their respawn? They could respawn an hour later, 5 hours later, 4 days later.... with an upper limit on how long it could go between spawns? Extrapolate that across the number of possible targets available, maybe there's something to it?

I'm ready to duck the pitchforks.

Originally Posted by Korben (Post 1659766)

P99 needs black and white rules else people will habitually line step if there's any gray area.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1659760)

Not to rain on your parade but you're asking the hardcore raiders to fundamentally change the way they raid, and to completely change the culture of high end raiding that's been prevalent since the genesis of p99.

It's always an arms race and the fuel for this has always been the staff/devs who have plainly stated that they want to see competition. It's hard to have that platform and expect anything different from the playerbase. I don't personally subscribe to that playstyle but if you give a player the leeway he's going to do anything he can to maximize his pixel intake.

The alternative to this is the current class R rotation. We've successfully adopted a culture that's a complete 180 from how raiding on this server typically has been. Remove the FFA component, let class C gouge each other's eyes out if they want, and let the rest of the server rotate content so everyone can experience high end Everquest raiding.

Originally Posted by Ando (Post 1659776)

Maybe, but by increasing Variance they can make poopsocking a whole lot more painful which hopefully dissuades some people from doing it.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1659785)

I honestly wish it were as easy as you want it to be, but consider some of these points.

-players camped in zone to avoid the footrace from the other zoneline, how is that policed?

-players bound in zone to avoid the footrace, how is that policed?

Each new wrinkle you add only complicates the amount of fraps/logs that must be kept to keep everyone playing nicely. The new rules themselves only moved the sock to the zoneline, it didn't change how people are actually playing the game.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella (Post 1659791)

P99 needs fewer rules. The more rules you've created the less creativity there is for overcoming 'competition' and more creativity in rule lawyering the grey area.

Originally Posted by kotton05 (Post 1659792)

FFA isn't going away, unlike that ct you lost. Also before this stupid camp at ent and coth Mage shit. FE and TMO would just have 1 tracker. Then fastest to log in won. Was a lot less work. A lot more doable by guilds like most class r. I say we get rid of most the rules. The only rules we need is no long da stall, honor FTE and no kiting.

Originally Posted by Daldaen (Post 1659797)

Aren't those two things currently prevented? You may not bind in zone and gate to Naggy or Vox anymore and you can't camp on or near the raid spawn so everyone camps at the zone in.

I'm sure there are new wrinkles. But they seem keen on stopping poopsocking sooner rather than later. And they don't appear to want to remove raid windows entirely and replace them with weekly simulated respawns... So limiting to 2 in zone as opposed to 2 at target and allowing for some banhammering if people attempt to skirt the rules by chilling at zone lines, would make for a better environment.

One that may be agreeable by all parties. Where as your complete rotation idea is obviously utopian and Class C will never concede to it.

Originally Posted by Daldaen (Post 1659789)

Worst idea yet.

That is a variance of a week. No one wants that. People hated 96 hour variance, 168 hours would be even more retarded.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1659804)

And there you have it, hardcore raiders advocating zero regulation so we can go back to the days of 1-2 guilds steamrolling all the content.