Originally Posted by lite (Post 1593290)

But unfortunately it has become beyond evident that Holocaust is not going to be a "thing". From day one essentially everyone that was Nihilum was instantly tagged Holocaust with very little discrimination. The next day, God's work comes in 12 deep to bail out Holocaust out of Fear as Andis myself Elspeth and Oppressor stop their CR. As it wasn't clear as daylight already, Colgate states that there's going to have to be an alliance with God's Work and Holocaust.

Sadly as everyone in Holocaust continues to state, noone wants to take over the leadership role and the crew is already gravitating towards Vaporize and pals. With 0 leadership and guidance things are going to return to exactly what they were. With Vaporize leading Holocaust since he's the only available leader around, I don't see why he'll want to do anything other than what he has done for the last 2 years, which is zerg.

With that being said, Jibeknn no longer has any desire to lead Hakouten and we will be housing about 10 of their players who we have played with for a while now and are happy to call friends.

Azrael presently fields 20-23 max and we've been doing VP dragons with about 14-20 over the last few weeks ... If you chose to view this as an attempt at zerging, so be it. I personally believe it does not matter and our record shows that isn't our interest. However, we'd be foolds to not incorporate a few great members in a server that has been reigned by zerg for 2+ years now.

I hope I am wrong about Holocaust and you guys can figure something out, but things are looking grim. I think it was a bit naive to think that because you want to be Holocaust people who've been raiding an empty box for 2 years now will simply disassociate themselves from wanting pixels, and will not want to continue to be affiliated to people that they were guided with forever. That's just not human nature.

Originally Posted by Colgate (Post 1593314)

god's work has about 3 or 4 actual people who play in it, no merge has happened, nothing has been confirmed; i only said it's probably necessary at this point because you guys just absorbed most of hokuten's higher level players

holocaust as-is can get about 15 people online tops, hypothetically add vaporize, strydur, beatz and that's 18 people still

you guys just absorbed, as you said, ~10 people when you already had enough to kill every single raid mob in the game when you're already bringing, as you said, 20-23 people, now we're looking at 30+

this acquiring hokuten thing seems like a knee-jerk reaction and you guys are either grossly overestimating how many people are actually in god's work or you're trying to avoid fighting relatively even numbers

at the end of the day on repop day, holocaust's 14 people attempted to kill 0 raid mobs, azrael raided dragons with over 40 people(including hokuten when you came to bail them out in emerald jungle)

Originally Posted by lite (Post 1593323)

Not gonna sit around and not prepare for the next inevitable zerg.

Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 1593326)

probably the smartest thing you have said all day.