Sadly that is yourself. I have countered all your points, you haven't read my arguments, and you admitted the fourth persons DPS is irrelevent.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.


How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

It hurts DSM's soul that mage does 50% more dps than his shaman using his own data so his defense mechanism is just "dps doesn't matter" while simultaneously arguing that shaman does lots of dps so they must be better than mage. The cognitive dissonance is wild.

It doesn't hurt me at all, and you haven't read the data since you think it is 50%:)

The numbers are 25-58%, depending on the situation. The reason why the 58% number is less likely is because the situation in which it happens is pretty unrealistic. Nobody has yet to tell me where this situation would occur at level 60. Basically your group of four level 60s would need to be pulling single mobs non-stop, killing them in 36 seconds each. The group also refuses to let the Shaman go ahead and root/rot. The only two areas I can think of where you would be pulling mobs and killing them in 30 seconds at level 60 would be Sebilis and Spiders in Velks. But in both of those locations the Shaman could go and root/rot so the group can kill more mobs at a time.

I am not sure why you think misquoting my posts is helping your case.

I am pretty sure it is the other way around. You don't like seeing a Mage deal less DPS than you thought.

The initial data you posted had shaman at like 55 and mage at 82. You kept spouting off about how it's "only 27 dps difference and dps doesn't matter when we're talking about mage dps but look how much dps my shaman does cause dps matters. Watch me root rot adds in an xp grp like a retard cause doing dps as a shaman is very important" and when I pointed out the fact that using your own numbers mage is literally 50% more dps than shaman you went and tweaked your data to show something different. Was your data wrong then? Is it wrong now? Did you really think I didn't notice?

You missed my edit. And I openly admitted I miscalculated the Damage Shield DPS. Unlike yourself, I can admit when I am wrong.

The numbers are 25-58%, depending on the situation. The reason why the 58% number is less likely is because the situation in which it happens is pretty unrealistic. Nobody has yet to tell me where this situation would occur at level 60. Basically your group of four level 60s would need to be pulling single mobs non-stop, killing them in 36 seconds each. The group also refuses to let the Shaman go ahead and root/rot. The only two areas I can think of where you would be pulling mobs and killing them in 30 seconds at level 60 would be Sebilis and Spiders in Velks. But in both of those locations the Shaman could go and root/rot so the group can kill more mobs at a time.

You are basically trying to force people to only play in the situation where Mages have a bit more DPS.

You missed the part where root rotting adds in a group is the dumbest thing anyone has ever heard of and nobody wants any part of it ever and they'll just get a higher dps class to kill single targets faster if dps is a concern. Ya know... Like a mage or something. I hear they do 50% more dps than shamans according to someones data on the forums.

The only dumb thing I have heard of is a fictional group that cares about DPS, but they won't let their members go and DPS.

You can't have it both ways. If a group cares about DPS, they will let their group members DPS. If they don't care about DPS, they wouldn't pick a Mage. Either way, the Mage loses.

How about if they care about dps but don't want some idiot root rotting in their group and just want a class that kills the mobs coming into camp? Cause I'd be willing to bet that's just about everybody that has ever or will ever play everquest.

Just because you are too silly to understand the logical fallacy here, doesn't mean everybody else is:)

If you care about DPS, you would let your group members DPS. If you don't care about DPS, or you have enough DPS, you wouldn't pick a Mage.