Stopped caring right about there.

I am both shamed and offended that I didn't make the list!! (Jaxinor) :p

Too be fair, new to the server, and haven't been on much though. Still lvl 56 qqqqqqqq.

In regards to the whole swarm vs lvl in dungeon issue, I'd rather low hp kite with someone any day of the week. I also much prefer to duo/trio for the reason I'm about to elaborate on(and the fact full group xp is terrible). The problem with grouping is most people think they are good, when in fact they aren't. The more people you add to this group, the more likely you get one of those people (you know, like monks who agro an entire room and run it back without FD and call that pulling, tanks that can't hold agro, healers that start CH when your at 20%, the list is near endless).

So when I group, unless its that rare really nice group, I inevitably feel like I need to pick up the slack, which usually results in my death and no one else's trying to save the day. For example, the last Seb group I was in we were at chef camp. We had no tank, and the monk can't hold agro, so I'm tanking. I'm also the only CC, the only snare, 1 of 2 people trying to interrupt casts, and the only mana regen, which I never get a chance to use effectively since I'm also pulling because we have one of those winner monks (at least he asked for lull on chef room before I just said f it I'll pull too). Why I would subject myself to that when I could just get someone I know and trust to play well for significantly higher returns idk.

In regards to OP, I also leveled in OT from like 35-46 dragging an afk ranger and pally with me (yeah 3 hybrids /guntohead. Also didn't realize I should have moved to EJ). I think someone complained literally once or twice. And it was a guy I've seen complaining about a lot of random shit in other zones since then. Also, it was the first time I met Zanderr, and he was always courteous (and helpful with bard related questions) with me and I with him. I'd ask if he was kiting etc, and he'd let me know when he was done and vice versa. Definitely user error on OP's part.

GOOD BARD SITING!!

JUSTIN IS MUY BUENO BARD!
such a rare and nice thing- not pl ing me or giving me some free exp - - no! just being plain curteous . Props to u!

As a bard you have the power to make these groups awesome. You have to work hard, often harder than most others in the group, but that's just part of being a bard. Being in a group with a cleric and four melees will happen to you and you do have to do everything.

I remember being in one group like this where I was doing the pulling/haste/cc/snare/slow/mana etc and somebody was still bitching that I wasn't chain pulling with charm. Picking up the slack is bard's job but you can manage all these roles with a bit of creative thinking - I find if somebody isn't doing something asking them to politely and saying why usually works. An example I often find myself using is asking people to root mobs so I can be out chain pulling without worrying the group will wipe if they don't get the mob down before snare wears off.

I feel a bit sorry for monks - there are so many casters in seb which must make FD pulling a nightmare. However bard's are so effective at pulling in Seb there's no way anyone else should be pulling over you in a group, no matter the set up.

If anything getting into a duo/trio with an enchanter or shammy is a lot of fun - I've duo'd/trio'd a lot of the camps in seb and its good to get out of the traditional group scenario as well.

The problem I have with low hp kiting is while its a creative way to level, once mastered it makes things trivial. Its why I only kited on and off up until level 40, and even then it was usually when I couldn't get a group. Once I went to Sol B and realised I could make such a big difference to groups that was the end of my kiting days, other than a few low hp kite - which was mostly just to prove I could do it.

These are things I've found in my 60 levels as a bard in any case :)

U mean if u have a problem with a bard kiting u can chase them across the universe? I believe I will play WOW or league to fufill my pvp desires. You know..games designed for pvp.

At least you had the decency to say you BELIEVED I box... I have two brothers, and a SS on my PL service thread from ambrotoss clearing us of boxing. It's called "you name it, choose it, I PL it" in EC tunnels. Also the people in OT typically like me after weeks of concerted effort there always seems to be at least a few who know how I am when I swarm, which I won't repeat again all the things I do to mitigate zone disruption.

I do!

LOL, this made me giggle...weeks ago I started setting a 15m stopwatch...and when it goes off I pull; so this just... oh man, 30m+ Idk where yall hear this shit..but it really makes me giggle. I'd like to know where you get the 30m timer from, seeing as how I've never once seen you at our kill spot and I run see invis. I'm GUESSING you just assumed it...SURPRISE!

Nope

LOL Sorry Bob, Idk how it ended up like this. You talked to me, I'm decent. I've always been respectful in OT. There's a few bards who don't know how to play their class I've bitched at but...that's really it. My attitude is toxic, because it gets old...Even on this thread, all this hate and I've never done anything wrong. Using the cyclical logic that because my attitude is toxic now that caused my attitude being toxic is a bit laughable. You can't presuppose a conclusion as a basis for your hypothesis in support of the conclusion. However yes, it is absolutely toxic now, rumour mail and facetious ignorance have led Rojas to being hated. So I will say this now, clear and concise.

The reason I made this thread, the point of treating bards like shit even when they are being decent, has never been shown to be more clear than by this thread. I was a nice bard, I did give a shit...But seriously? Whats the point in ATTEMPTING to be nice, when people still spread lies and make the same claims as if you HAD been a douche. I might as well be a douche and make more profit, if I am going to suffer the negativity regardless of my effort. Hence the point of this thread to begin with!! I noticed it happening. And now, due to all the BS, it has happened. I'm sure I still won't be a complete douche...but I'm not gonna spend an hour a day talking to groups..I'll just pull what I believe will leave them enough and be done with it. Sorry if it's not enough, feel free to msg me as always I'll be reasonable but..don't expect me to go out of my way for ya if ya act like the people in this thread. To those NOT in this thread//on forums...fuck, am I sorry. //endthread