Look, we can get pedantic about what a redemption arc is if you really want Wonkie. I'm a Literature major, I can explain it to you all day.

But you're one of the smarter people on this forum. If you try (and I feel like instead you're trying not to) you can tell the difference between a cool character who isn't perfectly "good" all the time, and a character who makes a mistake, falls, suffers, learns from that suffering, and ultimately redeems themself.

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty for being a male. I'm male too, and I have no guilt. All I'm saying is that if I was a women, or a black man, or a gay man, or a black gay woman, I would want to see stories of people like me. As a white straight male, it would suck if every hero in every story was a female transvestite of color.

It wasn't a white Christian male doing all the winning so it ruined Throndor's night.

That's the question. Most women aren't like that. Most women don't want what you want. And there's nothing wrong with you wanting what you want, but deluding others into believing that they share your sentiments and sending them down an unhappy path as a result is wrong. you do you.

I believe Melissandre redeemed herself in the context of the story. Primarily subtextually, and through Davos' closing body language. Furthermore, in the context of her story, the redemption she seeks comes from the Lord of Light; not her adoptive father-judge-figure; the Onion Knight.

Theon, on the other hand, sought redemptions from the Starks. Bran merely aqcuiesced to that need knowing Theon's death was imminent.

Women don't want epic stories about other women having the full human experience (eg. having redemption stories)? You need to hang out with more women Melon.

I still want Sansa to win

What happened to dorne, desert peoples are always marginalized in western canon

In the west, women were generally not given the right to vote because they were not equally holders of social responsibilities. The men had to go off and die in wars when called upon, not women. But your poor understanding of history is pretty irrelevant to this TV show.

Have you ever considered that so many more of the male characters start off at the outset as giant screw ups/losers/assholes? Would GoT been better if all the men were ed starks/jon snows and all the women were cerseis but just one of those cerseis got a redemption plot? What do you think these feminazis would say to that show? It';s an AWFUL misogynistic shitshow; why are all the women are so HORRIBLE.Who cares if just one turned out to not be a terrible person. That's EXACTLY what they would fucking say.

Feel free to preen yourself on twtter or wherever all the pseudo intellectual reprobates jack each other off these days, but don't expect me to join in on your circle jerk.

Hint: Melisandre was a lot more important player than Theon. And Melisandre got exaclty what she wanted and left on her own terms. Theon died a speed bump on someone else's plot highway. i don't think you've even read the books or watched the show, frankly.

No, of course they want that. Try again ;)

Most women want to WIN the Hero. They don't want to be the hero. Last thing most women ever want to hear from a man/potential lover is "I need you".

Women need to be wanted. Men want to be needed.

Loramin, quit attempting to superimpose YOUR VIEWS onto all women, like you are someone qualified to speak on behalf of all of them.

Most of the "women" writing these junk articles are beastly cat ladies that haven't had a proper fucking their entire lives; primarily because of bitchmade men like yourself.

Redemption doesn't make sense for Mel, she's a religious zealot. Dany is a better redemption story, what with the crucifixions and burning those who challenge her rule.

e: it just sucks emilia clarke is a shitty actress so this probably wont happen