Agreed. This issue has been pounded on relentlessly. Either Rogean thinks his GMs can ride the line, derive intent, and somehow manage to not piss off anyone in a highly volatile community full of egomaniacs with every decision made to avoid the en masse accusations of GM corruption(Which this has been attempted several times by VZ/TZ staff, and never once succeeded)...

Or, does as was done in EQ Live, and lets the community handle it w/o GM intervention.

Hard decision!

You seem pretty mad bro. Were you one of those savage wolves that finally killed talendor right before the server was wiped? No wonder you're so angsty.

But please do repeat how you were part of top pve and pvp guilds etc over and over. If you repeat it enough maybe someone will believe you. In all honesty, there's no shame in being a part of some dark elf only roleplay guild on tz and savage wolves on vztz, no need to repeat your mantra trying to get people to take your retarded ideas seriously.

Just don't be a retard.

I'm sure you just don't want to reveal your characters as I've stomped you up and down on previous emu servers. No need to be timid bro.

ps - Actually the training situation was handled quite well on vztz when there was staff to enforce it. You can contrast this quite well with times when there were no rules w/r/t training and the effect on the server those periods had.

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I've played on pvp servers. They never really handled these situations well. For most part it was self enforced, an honor system, and it failed horribly most of the time. Be it intentional or not.

If you have to have a ton of GM's babysitting it just ends up costing a lot of time and money. Best way to avoid this is to either let it be, or change server code so that it simply wouldn't be possible most of the time. It is a very dated game, the game dynamics do not lead very well into such code change which is probably why Sony simply ignored the issue most of the time instead of changing it.

When you get into situations where people lose months of time invested (their character, permanently) for training it becomes a different situation. Rogean / Uthgard have access to logs that determine who agroed a mob first, second, and so on. This backed up with fraps (and if your guild cant find at least one person ready to fraps then your guild deserves to be trained to death), and an occasional GM monitoring a situation is plenty enough to result in the rule being enforced.

Do you think people will continue to train after their pal is permabanned? Will you run those firegiants into naggys lair knowing that this is the one raid mob spawning today and that there may be a GM watching you waiting to off your ass? Or even if a GM isn't present the combination of seeing you agro tranix and 6 firegiants first in the logs before the trained guild gain agro in combination of a fraps?

This isn't like vztz where you could level an alt to 46 in a day and train fear, and even then the problem was solved once sirken started banning all characters associated with that IP (sup knox lolo). Unless you're a grade A moron chances are you're not going to keep training once you see the first few bitch threads from people who grinded for a month+ to hit 50 and lost their account over a torbin's eyepatch.

Best stance openly stated should be "we'll do the best we can about it". Over time, people who train will continue to do so and be banned.

This brings up the case of intentional XP lossing someone. Rooting them naked and training mobs etc. Intentional xp loss? Anyone?

i hated that on pvp servers too. Just had to deal with it, some of it was intentional, some was simply me being a dumbass running into mobs that some monk was trying to run away from and FDing.

I guess I do agree with the point that they basically have to let it happen. It's too much to enforce it, just way too many scenarios.

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Envious is the anonymous box + tallon zek superstar, bro. His identity must be protected.



and yes, I agree there needs to be some rule against training. It's pretty clear what effect a 'no rules' ruleset had on previous boxes, i.e. destroying the population