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wts 12-08-2015 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stasis01 (Post 2132443)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd52KkFwQWQ

Pockets of celebrating, some in queens, some in jersey. Police commissioner?

I guess Chris Christie must be a smug loser too since he says Trump is inaccurate and there's no video of thousands of celebrators.

James_Joyce 12-09-2015 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wts (Post 2132721)
I guess Chris Christie must be a smug loser too since he says Trump is inaccurate and there's no video of thousands of celebrators.

this dogshit has already been debunked. Not that it even really needed to be if you were actually alive and paying attention around 9/11 to see the large amount of reporting on celebrations of America's wound around the world.

It's amazing how tenaciously the hypnotized cling to retarded narratives like "TRUMP's not a successful businessman cuz bankruptcy" and "TRUMP lied about thousands celebrating in NJ even though there were multiple reports of celebrations in the New York area on major mainstream news, and a lot of related reporting on celebrations abroad which included tens of thousands burning flags in the streets". They'll split hairs and stretch the truth to see this highly successful and intelligent man and brilliant debater as an incompetent buffoon, while never questioning absurdly silly policy promises like $14/hr minimum wage and unrestricted free college for everyone when college degrees are already almost worthless. Not to mention ignoring the outright pandering to BLM and other billionaire-funded pseudo-grassroots "activist" divide-and-conquer movements that clearly demonstrates all of the Dem candidates are establishment pawns.

TRUMP's policy, promises, and tone all stand up to scrutiny so the spin machine desperately pumps energy and money into febrile television misinformation campaigns that center on Clintonian minutiae like "you can't prove that there were more than the hundreds known and documented celebrating in NJ, therefore saying thousands is an outright lie." An actual, earnest discussion of this race would center more on the absurd elementary school tier policies (when i grow up im gonna be da pressident & make money illegal so u wont have to worry ever again, mommy) and more-of-the-same being offered by every single candidate but TRUMP, but instead we have one side of the spin machine accusing TRUMP of being a liberal, and the other accusing him of being Literally Hitler. The last time both halves of the single ugly beast that reigns over us came together to shit on a candidate, his name was Ron Paul. Unfortunately for them, TRUMP has a very strong personal brand and highly skilled and savvy internet campaigners, many of whom do it for free like myself.

Wake up retards: whatever TRUMP's shortcomings may be, he represents the destruction of the narrative that has been used to drive the submissiveness of all mainstream political positions present in modern Western civilization. He represents the ability to discuss solutions that inconvenience foreigners for the benefit of Americans, without being easily destroyed with the Trotskyite charge of "racism".

The stakes for this election are quite literally: will we ever escape Political Correctness and into a world where common sense can be spoken without destruction coming to the speaker, or are the modern Orwellian smoke and mirrors and fundamental deceptions about who the President is and by what process he makes his decisions to be a permanent institution? Is the will of the People still strong enough to overcome tyranny by information control, or has our skill at manipulating each other finally outstripped the strength of the human spirit?

It is written that the latter will eventually become the case, and I believe it. I'm just hoping we can salvage the last few good years humankind may see before the long and very nasty dark age that will ensue once big data science gets off the ground.

Fael 12-09-2015 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lune (Post 2125402)
There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

You actually have no clue what you are talking. His father was a successful contractor and developer in new york. Trump took advantage of his fathers success, sure. However, he did FAR FAR better than his father.

At his father's death in 1999, he was worth about 300 million. By 1999, Trump had already earned more than a billion, lost a lot of it, and then earned it again. Today he is worth 4.5 Billion, which is 15 times more than his father.

Trump is obviously a smart guy as he went to Warton, one of the hardest MBA programs in the county. Sure it wasn't as hard to get in as today, but it still suggests that he was a fairly smart guy.

Personally I would be embarrassed to speak so dogmatically from a position of complete ignorance.

All that said, I do not beleive donald believes half the shit he says. He is taking a gamble and will probably loose. But in the end, he has more political gravitas now than as when he started his campaign.

He will always have political followers from now on.

wts 12-09-2015 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by James_Joyce (Post 2132757)
this dogshit has already been debunked.

Really? Can I get a link to a photo of thousands of people celebrating? I'll settle for a picture of 100 people celebrating. It's no wonder you play elf sim. You live your whole life in fantasy land.

Oooruk 12-09-2015 02:15 AM

Trump, even if elected, will not change the status quo.

His entire campaign consists of stating vague generalities that the disaffected and marginalized want to hear. There is no substance in anything he says.

Why are these people marginalized? The importation of US imperial policies to the domestic shores. It began with Nixon and the abolition of Bretton Woods, and it really took off under Reagan, and was sustained by the two Bushes, Clinton and Obama. To think that someone like Trump will fix this in a country where the majority of "voters" (notice no one uses the word citizen anymore) have no say in their countries policies is asinine.

Lune 12-09-2015 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fael (Post 2132779)
You actually have no clue what you are talking. His father was a successful contractor and developer in new york. Trump took advantage of his fathers success, sure. However, he did FAR FAR better than his father.

At his father's death in 1999, he was worth about 300 million. By 1999, Trump had already earned more than a billion, lost a lot of it, and then earned it again. Today he is worth 4.5 Billion, which is 15 times more than his father.

Trump is obviously a smart guy as he went to Warton, one of the hardest MBA programs in the county. Sure it wasn't as hard to get in as today, but it still suggests that he was a fairly smart guy.

Personally I would be embarrassed to speak so dogmatically from a position of complete ignorance.

All that said, I do not beleive donald believes half the shit he says. He is taking a gamble and will probably loose. But in the end, he has more political gravitas now than as when he started his campaign.

He will always have political followers from now on.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that I said he didn't do better than his father, because that has nothing to do with my post. I also didn't deny Trump was a smart guy. The privileged children of rich parents often are.

What I said was he inherited anywhere from 40-200 million dollars from his father, and you'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to not do well for yourself with that much money to invest. In fact, Trump would be wealthier right now had he simply invest his money S&P 500 instead of being a mediocre businessman.

Also keep in mind how much more difficult it is to work your way from nothing to $300 million, than from $300 million into the billions. It's far easier to make money when you have significant amounts of assets and capital available.

iruinedyourday 12-09-2015 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lune (Post 2125402)
There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

qft

KagatobLuvsAnimu 12-09-2015 02:47 AM

http://i.imgur.com/ftVcxQF.jpg

Pokesan 12-09-2015 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu (Post 2132836)

are you actually this retarded

Pokesan 12-09-2015 03:00 AM

trump is compared to hitler based on political ideas, not dog or mustache opinions

juicebox rot for sure


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