If we're maxing DPS, a rogue is always going to lose to an enchanter, might as well add another of those and drop the rogue.

I dunno, 1 enchanter w/ pet is enough for me. I like the control of 2 rogues, 1 ench. Takes away the risk of big pull plus double pet break, etc. Yeah, 2 ench should be able to control that, but some can't.


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If anything adding more enchanters should make big pulls easier. Rogues can't do much except stab things for sub charmed pet dps.

I'd need to parse it, but I would think that a fully buffed rogue with a bard could stack up to a charmed pet in terms of DPS. VoG + Bard Epic + Atk song is going to boost the rogue DPS a lot.

Bards are even better if you switch out rogues for monks imo. With monks ability to tank, plus mend, plus bard regen, you can be ridiculously efficient with heals. Torpor Shaman + Bard + Enchanter + 3 Monks using T-staff would be an absolutely silly group in terms of efficiency. Sure you lose hero/symbol/CH from a cleric, but with that group it would be able sharing the dmg taken between the monks and relying mostly on regen to cover heals, so it shouldn't really matter what the maximum HP of the tanking classes is. Also, a shaman over a cleric for stat buffs and regen. Regrowth and Dex on 3 t-staff wielding monks would make a bigger difference in the group dynamic than the extra HP from a cleric imo.

cleric

Enchanter

This question is very situation dependent.

Obviously a cleric is the most valuable class in a group - CH nuf said. If you have a cleric next would be Enchanter. Mana regen, CC, haste, slows, best dps in game with charm. Once you have Clr/enc you can do w/e.

I'd have to dig through a mountain of backup logs, but I've definitely outparsed horse pets on sky raids.Think those things are tad meaner than what you'd find in a Seb group. Anyways, I agree. 3 enchanters would be amazing. Good luck finding them vs a couple of rogues. Comparable DPS anyways.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think a Mage and an Enchanter would be equally effective as the 6th man in those groups. None. Edit: my god, you even suggested a wizard could replace an enchanter. Its hard to imagine you have ever even played this game before.

See, my thing is all 6-man groups are boring and bad xp because there just aren't enough mobs. If those guys are all 60, you're looking at Bard(25) Rogue (85) Rogue (85) Monk (70) Enchanter (100) = 365 dps. That's enough to kill a Krup knight in 20 seconds.

My favorite group is [monk or warrior depending on the situation]/sham/enc. I bet I could hold down most of the chef/bar area with that trio.