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LiQuid 06-25-2013 05:30 PM

2 hours and aside from a few I missed while AFK I buffed them all. Aren't I a saint?

thufir 06-25-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtnap (Post 1007308)
EDIT: To be clear to everyone, I never meant there are no nice people. A good portion of people will be polite, but the praiseworthy acts of kindness are rare.

Honestly Dirtnap (and Davardo), from reading your posts in this thread I feel like your bar for kindness is considerably higher than mine. If your idea of a great server is one where everybody drops what they're doing to buff you, give you valuable items, and port you more or less on command you are playing a different game than the one I played on Live and the one I expect to play here.

It's absolutely true that people won't always do what you want them to do, but I don't want my game to be a charity server. I get some things I ask for and a lot of things I don't, but my attitude has always been that if I want to port I should be a porter, if I want sow I should be a sower, etc. Make friends, bother them, if you really need buffs all the time. But I don't expect it and I don't think most people do either. This is a game, everyone ultimately does what they want to with their time here. If they don't feel like buffing and porting they shouldn't feel obligated, and I don't feel like the server is somehow a lesser place for it.

I've never been excluded from groups for being an SK either. People are usually happy to see me, in fact. (Hi Sicca!) Seems like there is a tank shortage out there.

I hate to keep echoing what everyone else is saying Davardo, but it might be you, and you might want to consider the possibility that, at the very least, your expectations for "nice" exceed most others.

Gadwen 06-25-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thufir (Post 1007361)
I've never been excluded from groups for being an SK either. People are usually happy to see me, in fact. (Hi Sicca!) Seems like there is a tank shortage out there.

Nobody has a problem with hybrids in groups, Pallys and SKs are great tanks for exp groups despite that INSANE 6-10% exp that they take away from me.

People just don't like rangers.

Dirtnap 06-25-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thufir (Post 1007361)
Honestly Dirtnap (and Davardo), from reading your posts in this thread I feel like your bar for kindness is considerably higher than mine. If your idea of a great server is one where everybody drops what they're doing to buff you, give you valuable items, and port you more or less on command you are playing a different game than the one I played on Live and the one I expect to play here.

It's absolutely true that people won't always do what you want them to do, but I don't want my game to be a charity server. I get some things I ask for and a lot of things I don't, but my attitude has always been that if I want to port I should be a porter, if I want sow I should be a sower, etc. Make friends, bother them, if you really need buffs all the time. But I don't expect it and I don't think most people do either. This is a game, everyone ultimately does what they want to with their time here. If they don't feel like buffing and porting they shouldn't feel obligated, and I don't feel like the server is somehow a lesser place for it.

I've never been excluded from groups for being an SK either. People are usually happy to see me, in fact. (Hi Sicca!) Seems like there is a tank shortage out there.

I hate to keep echoing what everyone else is saying Davardo, but it might be you, and you might want to consider the possibility that, at the very least, your expectations for "nice" exceed most others.

I just feel like someone needs to let new players know that the server is NOT what I describe I would like it to be. That people come on the forums and post in new player threads with many good things, and very very few bad things. People need to know that the server has both people who will want to help you, and people who will scam you out of everything you have worked for.

I'm just being the voice on the other side, while everyone else is saying sunshine and rainbows, I will be here to let new players know that this server is not perfect. It will be a long bumpy road, and there will be many altercations to deal with.

EDIT: I realize what I described is a dream, and could never be reality. I can always hope for something better, and strive to attain it, even if it will never happen.

Gadwen 06-25-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtnap (Post 1007434)
People need to know that the server has both people who will want to help you, and people who will scam you out of everything you have worked for.

This is pretty much how life is. You don't need to warn people that there are some assholes out there that might be an asshole to you...any person with a functioning brain should already understand that.

Sarius 06-25-2013 08:29 PM

Dirtnap showing new players that there are many morons on this server. Way to go!

xCry0x 06-25-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadwen (Post 1007377)
Nobody has a problem with hybrids in groups, Pallys and SKs are great tanks for exp groups despite that INSANE 6-10% exp that they take away from me.

People just don't like rangers.

Hybrid & Hybrids.. problem is Hybrids in group IE paladin tank, bard for cc, ranger dps LFM!

Simply having 1 isnt huge, especially if you are higher level than them.

Swish 06-25-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtnap (Post 1007434)
I just feel like someone needs to let new players know that the server is NOT what I describe I would like it to be. That people come on the forums and post in new player threads with many good things, and very very few bad things. People need to know that the server has both people who will want to help you, and people who will scam you out of everything you have worked for.

I'm just being the voice on the other side, while everyone else is saying sunshine and rainbows, I will be here to let new players know that this server is not perfect. It will be a long bumpy road, and there will be many altercations to deal with.

EDIT: I realize what I described is a dream, and could never be reality. I can always hope for something better, and strive to attain it, even if it will never happen.

Hold on there chief. I've been here for 2.5 years and haven't been scammed... you'll only be scammed if you're tired and unlucky, naive or use passwords like "password". In that time I can say I've only had a handful of camp issues, 95% or more of people are okay about splitting a camp and we find a compromise.

What would make the server a worse place to play however is 2-boxing... and we all know your stance on that. Try levelling a character to 60 before passing a verdict on the server's health... you've been reading RnF too much :p

Dirtnap 06-26-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Swish (Post 1007633)
Hold on there chief. I've been here for 2.5 years and haven't been scammed... you'll only be scammed if you're tired and unlucky, naive or use passwords like "password". In that time I can say I've only had a handful of camp issues, 95% or more of people are okay about splitting a camp and we find a compromise.

What would make the server a worse place to play however is 2-boxing... and we all know your stance on that. Try levelling a character to 60 before passing a verdict on the server's health... you've been reading RnF too much :p

I don't read RNF, and you focus way to much on my stance on two boxing. It's like my one opinion on two boxing shapes my entire personality in your mind. Its silly.

There are plenty of people popping onto the forum, and even complaining in game about getting scammed. Most of which are people NEW to the server. Why is that? Because their first experience was on the forum before diving right in. 10 people told them how nice everyone here is, and so they dropped their guard. They decided to trust someone they shouldn't have, and they paid for it drastically.

If the people on the forums didn't praise the community for its sparse good deads so heavily, these people would not have had a game shattering experience. Maybe they decide to stick it out and keep playing, or maybe they just quit and forever leave and tell other people to never play here.

This is why I'm vocal about it. I want to warn people that the word of mouth on the forums is not reality. It is a few acts of kindness from a small group of people, that is magnified to an unrealistic level.

EDIT: Without starting a whole argument about twoboxing I just want to say: Two Boxing has its positives and negatives, acting like it will single handedly destroy the server is nonsense. Account sales are allowed, and they do the exact same things people say two-boxing would do, and yet the same people against boxing are for account sales.

Davardo 06-26-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadwen (Post 1007217)
I want pics and stories!

I gave away 2 Ebony Bladed Swords, a Rukgus Sticker, some staff that I can't name atm just last week.

I have no proof, as I don't need to prove my kindness on a regular basis.

I have so many alts because every few monthes when I decide to play again I make something new to play as. I haven't made a new char in maybe a year, excluding red99.

As to people being laughably butt hurt, you are proving how this community is not as good as you think it is, or for that matter what you define as good is flawed.


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