Go right ahead... I'm clean. What have you got?

Again this wasn't about blaming a particular guild... this was directly addressing your apologetic "woe is me, I told them it was wrong, but I had no power to do anything!" rhetoric in this thread. If you were that strongly against it, you had the power to guildremove.

Nothing more, nothing less. Not about my past, Vesica Dei's past, nothing more than merely proving your assertion wrong that there was nothing you could do while your guild did things you felt were wrong.

Mob mentality and Internet anonymity certainly enables a lot of things to happen.

Shitting up the raid scene how?

Giving you a taste of your own medicine in VP by training you guys the same way you trained others? By memblurring dragons the same way you memblurred Talendor on us?

You cried to staff every time we actually rolled up our sleeves to give you your competition. If that is "shitting up the raid server", well you got your wish and chased VD off... then enjoyed VP and other high priority targets largely uncontested for over a year wondering "whars teh compuhtitionz??" Talk about logging in for your handouts.

i apologized to coldbloded i didint apoligized for nada because there isnt nothing i need to apologize in game .
as you name vd as a dead guild , well yes, but you will not spin the fact back in the day u tried the very same thing and it didint worked for you .
i have friends in tmo , i enjoy to play with them yet because some people in my guild i have to guild disband?.
you sounds like the classical dude claiming every german was a nazi in 2 ww.

Can you prove im wrong about what i said about your past? should i even load up my chat with cold and kmorrax being in the shame group when some idiot posted her pic?.

Fun fact: The single reason was to keep TMO from rolling over the entire server. Except we lost. And look what happened...

Vp was train ground before any vd member have even a single key you want to prove im wrong?.
when ib rmt the shit out the server and let VD to defend for himself ur guild crumbled was it fault of tmo? you prety much are .
and wich is worse u seems to forget actualy vd was the one gettin suspended over memblurring dragons , tmo did once. qadosx and got suspended .

how tmo would be rolling all over the server?. TR rolled the server back them , tmo spend months trying to scratch mobs of TR, till most of their members where ready and shape to even put a figth agaisnt TR.

many DA and even tmo players left for TR as they saw it as the winnin side. u guys joined TR/ib after vp release because ib was losing members and couldnt compete anymore with tmo .

Yet tmo wasnt yet the top dog the server it was shared with ib .

Trying very hard to understand your grammar, but yes I understand VP was okay for trains after the TR/TMO rotation ended. Which is why it was extremely hypocritical for TMO to cry about it when VD went in to give them a taste of their own medicine by sending in a train squad to interfere with your VP raid. Same hypocrisy with the memblurring. Anything "dirty" VD did to TMO was in direct retaliation for something TMO did to us. I don't recall VD being suspended for memblurring... we were simply told to stop and then we stopped. I fully admit I could be remembering that wrong.

My only hope is that the new leadership of TMO doesn't let things devolve into the sorts of things we are discussing just because "lol, extreme competition". It hurts the entire server.

why u dissapeared aswell when ur partner guild was found to have mass rmt and u have kinsawt giggling about how much money he made thanks to p99 and they where leaving for eqmac?.
i dont recall u ever saying anything when vd was found to be associated with a rmt guild, u did what u did always, dissapear, and come back when u have a chance to rnf and cry.

i can respect VD players who joined bda, and the effort they did to break tmo dominance and i thank FE and the new ib to have challanged tmo . we never should have been uncontested for long time.


i agree it ended hurting raid life in general and making a hell of the staff with guild figthing and forum quest for loot .

looking into future i hope we can find a better for all guilds in the server , and take this as a chance to build soemthing better than what we have going on for last 3 years.

i thank you for take ur time and read my post im ESL, and i know it can be difficult for you to understand it.

i hope aswell there is no longer extreme competition /forum/petition quest for pixels.

No guild should have power to dictate over other guilds is what i believe and the fact is i realy hope there is a common ground for please both sides in this mess we are rigth now .

I hope for this as well, too! Thank you for acknowledging the issues and understanding. I know there is an expectations gap for both sides but hopefully we can all learn from past mistakes and move forward so we can all go back to having fun :)