Vztz

[hagard]

Back on server select.
Talked to gm and they are discussing restoring 2.0 chars.
Anyone playing there?

[Graahle]

say whaaaaaat?

[Tomatoking]

bye

[hagard]

bye

Hullo pal

[hagard]

Vztz thread raised Harry from the dead

[OforOppression]

harrison baby has head stuck between bars in crib, harrison too busy posting about hackers to take care of child

[hagard]

Amelinda and supreme is all I got to say about r99 legitimacy

[Littlegyno 9.0]

DOES KING LITTLEGYNO LIVE ONCE AGAIN?

[OforOppression]

Also, lol fat kids still living with mommy talking shit...

yeah you really should stop doing that

[hagard]

No eq server in history has been clean whistle. Just play better

[OforOppression]

http://i.imgur.com/3Rcsc.gif

[Doors]

lol harrison is back.

[hagard]

Harry has forum acct set so he receives email notification anytime vztz is said in a post

[Graahle]

Holo revival imminent?

[fiegi 2.5]

Harry has forum acct set so he receives email notification anytime vztz is said in a post

lol'd

[hagard]

1,000

[beta]

awesome!!! vztz was the best time i have had on any emu, hope 2.0 chars are restored

[Nirgon]

Can't be sure if it really is Harrison.

The fake identities on this board get out of control.

[Heywood]

1.5 garage box > 2.0

[Zalaerian]

ffff my pixels suked on 2.0

[Tippett]

Actually gonna give this a shot, new servers are so gr8 :)

Looking for partner to level with

[Heywood]

logged on was 10 people with boxing + GMs on


And 9 of them were Fishbait.

[Jenni D]

hot newz

[Karafa]

Amelinda and supreme is all I got to say about r99 legitimacy

Amelinda has/had nothing to do with R99 you frothing mad mongoloid faggot.

[Wamorn]

Who is hosting vztz?

[Tippett]

Amelinda has/had nothing to do with R99 you frothing mad mongoloid faggot.

this a troll?

[hagard]

Amelinda has/had nothing to do with R99 you frothing mad mongoloid faggot.

U mad brew?

[Jenni D]

this a troll?

no.
this guy is just dumb as lloyd christmas

[Graahle]

no.
this guy is just dumb as lloyd christmas

rofl

[Wamorn]

Hagard reply to my pm plz sir

[Clark]

Harry has forum acct set so he receives email notification anytime vztz is said in a post

lol

[Cwall 52.0]

Was the Rile event 1.5 or 2.0? Bring back that boxx. Or start it from scratch. Either way VZTZ was toppp

1.0

[gotrocks]

http://i.imgur.com/3Rcsc.gif

AHHHHH

STOP POSTING THIS GIF!

that FUCKING GUy GIVES ME NIGHTMARES 4 REAL

if i ever met him in real life i'd seriously FUCK HIM UP For being everything children everywhere hate in their dreams.

that raptor is pretty funny though. i always lol at that so mayb its ok

[Knuckle]

Back on server select.
Talked to gm and they are discussing restoring 2.0 chars.
Anyone playing there?

massive troll. 2.0 chars? hmmm knuckle with the 13/21 bow would be fun.

[OforOppression]

u do no the guy has the girls face copied on it rite?

[gotrocks]

No. Stop your lies. It's a real person, i've seen him in my nightmares.

[Knuckle]

dont see any classic characters, went ahead and saved the name knuckle for EC Tunnel purchases. Legacy Names for RL pizza

[Nirgon]

Project 1999 : The Scars of Harrison

[Arclyte]

restoring fully geared players to everyone pretty much guarantees no new rerolls

plus cheating/boxing, and an already small pvp crowd split between 2 servers

would be dead pretty quick

[Flipmode]

Ummm which box was 2.0? So many wipes I've lost count. Velious box was 3.0?

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Ummm which box was 2.0? So many wipes I've lost count. Velious box was 3.0?

no velious box was 2.5.

box 3.0 was ugh fuck i forget.

[Knuckle]

1.0 - Released kunark, eventually wiped. (Rogue then Monk/Shaman)
2.0 - Released Kunark > Velious > eventually wiped (Ranger/Wizard)
3.0 - Released Kunark > Eventually Closed. (Warrior/Shaman)

[hagard]

massive troll. 2.0 chars? hmmm knuckle with the 13/21 bow would be fun.

Nah no troll. I talked to Nikon and he informed me they were considering it

[Flipmode]

well better restore with epics then lols. My Wuoshi bow would also be nice k thx

[Terpuntine]

Gimme mah monk

[SamwiseRed]

i may or may not be playing this

[Smedy]

My box history

Box 0.5 (Feet/Ubrmag) didn't really play this one, wiped in 2007, this was the one rexx had that resist stone no one else had with like 25 sv all custom made by pal gronkus, daxum was lead on this one

Box 1.0 (Smedy/Ubrmag) Wiped, rexx went big with gronkus , cant remember much about it

Box 2.0 (Skegget/Roots) Wiped, this was the one i played a paladin, fun box with the epic rile events

Box 3.0 (Smedy/Roots) Didn't play this box at launch, it ran 5-6 months without velious, kringe and pals haxxed the box with black screen and voidd shut the box down, box later returned with velious and i started playing, was a fun box but 99% of the pop was using harry potter maps

Box 4.0 (Smedys/Roots) vztz was never the same, i started late, gear felt like it was worth nothing, everyone had epic, everyone had the best shit, sad box status, this was the last and final box

Best box was 2.0 or 3.0, 3.0 for me, there was so much action @ euro time in velious

[Kompakt]

Does VZ/TZ has any official webside or forums were you can check rules etc ? Just wondering about teamsetup, pvprange and stuff.

Is/was boxing allowed on this one ?

[Graahle]

Does VZ/TZ has any official webside or forums were you can check rules etc ? Just wondering about teamsetup, pvprange and stuff.

Is/was boxing allowed on this one ?

One of the GMs announced a 10 level PvP range last night.

[Feniggles]

steamfury!

[HippoNipple]

I am also interested in hearing more about this server. This server was shut down before I was into eqemu. What are the server rules as far as pvp deaths and is it free for all or teams?

I did a quick search and didn't come up with anything. I figured some of you vztz vets could enlighten me.

[Dark Team]

I'm just curious; why would you play this over Red99? It seems to me that you already have a perfectly good PvP "box". Why would a new VZTZ be better?

[HippoNipple]

I'm just curious; why would you play this over Red99? It seems to me that you already have a perfectly good PvP "box". Why would a new VZTZ be better?

I'm not sure. I was just asking because I am curious about the pvp rules. Population is the most important thing but pvp rules are a close second. I don't like the rules on this server but its quality and population that keep me here. I actually enjoyed LoZ when it had a good population. Yellow text and no exp penalty on death are a big deal to me. Item loot is another thing I would love and haven't experienced since playing on live.

If the server had rules I enjoyed I might even play both at the same time. It gets boring soloing on this server and since I quad I have long downtime.

[mostbitter]

It was guild vs guild, no additional penalty for pvp death, you'll just be leaving a corpse.

Boxing was allowed, up to two toons.

[Dark Team]

It was guild vs guild, no additional penalty for pvp death, you'll just be leaving a corpse.

Boxing was allowed, up to two toons.

So you want to play there just because you can box, and die without xp loss? Kinda seems like a poor reason to leave Red99 to me :/

[mostbitter]

I was responding to a question put forth by a previous poster not describing my desire to play there.

Since you're trying to pick a fight I guess i'll point out one plus one equals two and if those had been my reasons you would be communicating that message poorly by describing both as one as you just have you stupid fuck.


For reallies though, VZ/TZ also had a much better experience rate, had far more pvp, had yellow text, and I did not eat roots all day long just cause nilbog decided to stop working on a half assed resist code.


Still I think my eq time is over. This server really took it out of me. I don't know how I played for 13 years and didn't lose it but coming here really put the nail in the coffin for me.

This server has been very unfun, it is filled with people who don't have fun playing the game but can't stop and it is run by cunt staff who arbitrarily ban people without any discussion before or after.

[Nirgon]

Yeah and I've talked to pal Null before. He did the most he could with the time he had, for free as far as I know.

He took a nonexistant system and actually got a bunch of spell lines right.

But don't point any fingers at him, this isn't his project, he doesn't get all the glory.

He's busy now and if you want things fixed, well, point the finger somewhere else because he got things off the ground and doesn't have time for more.

Sirken posts always a good read.

[Sirken]

Does VZ/TZ has any official webside or forums were you can check rules etc ?

yep

emu.pwned.com

;)

[Nirgon]

Logged in to check it out last night, name obviously taken.

However, I saw "soandso caught MQ warping come get your free kill".

NOPE.

Don't need a box with even more broken shit and MQ2 tacked onto it.

[Sirken]

...However, I saw "soandso caught MQ warping come get your free kill"....

P99/R99 have this same feature, instead of a global message (and if i remember it hurts your hp/mana), it simply gives you a "Large Warp Detected" message. because lag effects that detector. it always has and always will based on its design, and the amount of false positives it generates is the reason it will not be used in that fashion on P99/R99

[Nirgon]

Pretty sure it was MQ and not a false positive.

Even telling people "we're watching it, the second you use it here, you're done" wasn't even enough here.

Some people will just go to any lengths of cheating to try and convince themselves and others that they are good at EQ.

[Snufz]

Will not touch

[vinaden]

im at work and cant tell but is this the box with velious thats being restored?

[Sirken]

Pretty sure it was MQ and not a false positive.

Even telling people "we're watching it, the second you use it here, you're done" wasn't even enough here.

Some people will just go to any lengths of cheating to try and convince themselves and others that they are good at EQ.

im 100% sure it did not detect MQ because i used MQ as a GM, and i knew players that used MQ. the "come get your free kill" thing was triggered by 2 things: 1) running across a zone with a lot of lag, so that when the server updates it thinks you warped, or 2) if you used MQ to warp a large distance. and thats it.

any other mq use/plugin was not / is not detectable with that system. and you are right, its impossible to stop 100% of cheating, because some people will, as you said, go to any lengths of cheating to try and convince others that they are good at EQ.

that being said, this is real life. and in real life, anything build by man can also be unbuild by man. While i know some people get away with MQ and i know some people get away with boxxing, i also know that MQ use is MUCH less rampant than it ever was on VZTZ.

When p99 first lanuched, they claimed there was no cheating here. so i came over from VZTZ and fired up Bodu's MQ compile, and within 10 min i had gotten away with MQ and found a pathing exploit to level off of. i honestly tried to attract staff attention with my actions because i wasn't buying into all the hype.

then back in August of 2011 Rogean and Nilbog unveiled their new freshly created MQ detector, and the first time it was ran, 365 accounts were flagged for MQ and very harshly punished (losing all coin, and well as 50% of their total xp). it is by far and away the best MQ detector i have ever seen on any server (be it eqemu or eqlive).

<3
Sirks

[Nirgon]

Well, to be fair, Bodu did win honorable mention Nobel Prize for Science with his best MQ work.

[Sirken]

Well, to be fair, Bodu did win honorable mention Nobel Prize for Science with his best MQ work.

indeed. but i knew thats what all the cool kids had, so if there was a detector, it would need to be able to catch that build. and now it does.

theres always going to be ways to work around, if theres a will, theres a way. however what Rogean, Nilbog, and the rest of the staff do is try to make it more trouble than it's worth. we constantly make tweaks and adjustments as players find new ways to hide, we find new ways to find it.

---

did keegan ever make the staff section of the old pwned forums available to the public? he said he was gonna set it so all registered members could read through the old staff discussions, as well as give all registered members access to the ban/suspension records/forum.

[Darksinga]

Would honestly give it a shot if it were team PvP + item loot.

let those that want a hardcore server flock together while those who want a less populated blue 99 stay to raid.

[Graahle]

Would honestly give it a shot if it were team PvP + item loot.

let those that want a hardcore server flock together while those who want a less populated blue 99 stay to raid.

It has one-item-loot at the moment.

[Nirgon]

I just sat forward

[jeffd]

i'm having a hard enough time working up the interest to log into a 100-pop eq server, let alone a 20-pop one with boxing

also if those 20 people are playing restored characters with full resist gear/epics, what's the point in even starting there

[Wamorn]

http://www.pwnedemu.com/staff.html Nirgon is listed as a gm but his posts here seem like he actually isnt?

[Nirgon]

Oh yeh that's right.

Was doing way point scripting and shit with him way back in the D.

Don't remember why things never went live, kinda just stopped hearing about it I think.

[Sirken]

http://www.pwnedemu.com/staff.html Nirgon is listed as a gm but his posts here seem like he actually isnt?

wowzer

they even copied the pwnedemu url.

way to be original guys! hopefully these guys will gets lots of success thanks to all the work that was done by Daxum, Null, Searyx, and myself



i'm gonna start a new company today, i'm gonna name it Hostess and i'm going to sell cupcakes. gods i am so awesomely creative.

[Massive Marc]

This server is so fucked up. Still needs a lot of work. I crash 90% of the time I zone, mob hit boxes are fucked. Zoning from Aknon to steamfront drops you somewhere in the middle of steamfront zone. was watching people zip around. Stamina bar is fucked. spell merchants didn't work for a few hours (still don't, they just added custom ones) and a ton of other shit in the 2 hours I was fucking around.

but man... dat yellow txt was nice to see.

[Nirgon]

Good thing work is shared with the community so EQ Emu can be a more prosperous place.

Not going near that box but if you want to box, item loot and YT on kills I guess its there.

We'll hafta see how patching goes with that fucker.

If people get interested, I will too.

[OforOppression]

searyx really fucked up on the league of legends launcher

[Massive Marc]

searyx really fucked up on the league of legends launcher

lol thought he does art ?

[Littlegyno 9.0]

We'll see how this develops. Could be a fun time.

[Nirgon]

I was being sarcastic :P

They will probably be starting almost from scratch.

I'll try to get ahold of dude man tonight.

[Kringe]

wowzer

they even copied the pwnedemu url..

Or maybe the domain wasnt renewed and it was purchased?

[Tippett]

with red99's rampant cheating problem think im going to give this a shot

[Rettii]

Lol

[OforOppression]

lol thought he does art ?

he freaked out when he found out Tribes/EVE uses the same launcher that "he worked on"

[Massive Marc]

he freaked out when he found out Tribes/EVE uses the same launcher that "he worked on"

ROFL fucking Searyx. o well, leagues confirmed xbox live status.

[jeffd]

with red99's rampant cheating problem think im going to give this a shot

if you think cheating on red99 is bad, i'm guessing you never played on original vztz

[Tippett]

you would be right

[Tippett]

But at least on VZTZ there isn't some false pretense of legitimacy.

[Massive Marc]

But at least on VZTZ there isn't some false pretense of legitimacy.

It's definitely backwards, but I kind of agree.

[Nirgon]

Or only one side can cheat and get away with it.

[hagard]

ya there was hacking on vztz but that didnt stop faggots from being slain. just learn to play better.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

smedy using harry potter maps to steal my turtle in iceclad. you fucking worm.

[Tippett]

So we all gonna play this shit or what

[Jenni D]

so is a fresh start on this vztz happening or wut?

[Tomatoking]

yea , i used mq2 to box on eqtitan and confirmed as soon as you load it up you see guild titles like officer / leader etc

completely fail

[Darksinga]

after hearing how broken the code is I'm going to sit this one out and wait for LoZ to release velious. image is legit but Devnoob abandoned their eq baby and who can seriously run a server alone? tell these kids to join the eqpvp project and maybe things will turn for the better. I'm even for a fresh start even though I'd have to bid with the vp gear and epic. bring the velioooos

[Littlegyno 9.0]

after hearing how broken the code is I'm going to sit this one out and wait for LoZ to release velious. image is legit but Devnoob abandoned their eq baby and who can seriously run a server alone? tell these kids to join the eqpvp project and maybe things will turn for the better. I'm even for a fresh start even though I'd have to bid with the vp gear and epic. bring the velioooos

image devnoob retards. no thanks.

[Vile]

gyno. bro. i miss our vent laughs :(

[Cwall 52.0]

mite b cool

[Graahle]

Ain't even gonna lie..having the map and NPCs with titles is great. But, yes, mob hit-boxes are way off, stamina fluctuates up and down a ton, and zoning causes the client to crash periodically.

Will keep an eye out.

[Tomatoking]

yea hp and mana blobs up and down , server needs considerable work

id play there if it had more then red but i dont think it ever will

also id never play a server where people can just get restored geared chars. would have to be fresh

[Sirken]

Or maybe the domain wasnt renewed and it was purchased?

i understand the semantics of it you hax0r.

i was speaking to the lack of originality and class. big surprise that went over your head.

[Heywood]

So the guys behind this new vztz server have no real affiliation with the original vztz server? How would they restore chars? Did gronkus ever relinquish our box? If I remember correctly Vile, knuckle, and I were the shugga daddies who made that box possible.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

So the guys behind this new vztz server have no real affiliation with the original vztz server? How would they restore chars? Did gronkus ever relinquish our box? If I remember correctly Vile, knuckle, and I were the shugga daddies who made that box possible.

Are you dumb? The source and database was released and all it takes it somebody with a box to put it on.

[Littlegyno 9.0]

i understand the semantics of it you hax0r.

i was speaking to the lack of originality and class. big surprise that went over your head.

80% of the ex GM's and people who ran VZTZ were douchebags and faggots. I'd rather have somebody new give it a try instead of any of the old crew.

[Zalaerian]

3.0 was Dream Team, Pecks ect
2.0 was Dynasty, Heresy? ect
1.0 was TZT, Heresy, LV

[hagard]

after hearing how broken the code is I'm going to sit this one out and wait for LoZ to release velious.

Talk about a server with broken code

[Zalaerian]

my LoZ pixels r top notch

[fiegi 2.5]

rip loz

was fun for a month

but always new the end was near

[heartbrand]

rip loz

was fun for a month

but always new the end was near

It was foretold by the prophet

[SamwiseRed]

holy fuck, just did http://chatroulette.com/ for the first time. so far ive seen boobs twice and im not even talking/chatting

I am using Samwise Gamgee as my RL pic so maybe thats why

[SamwiseRed]

seriously this may be the greatest thing ever invented. so fucking funny man. these people are fucking wierdos and thats coming from ME!

[Graahle]

seriously this may be the greatest thing ever invented. so fucking funny man. these people are fucking wierdos and thats coming from ME!

Wait till you see some NOTbro stroking it lol

[Heywood]

Are you dumb? The source and database was released and all it takes it somebody with a box to put it on.

Shut your whore mouth. I stopped playing prior to garage box 3.0, so I didn't know obviously.


No, but seriously, thanks for the info. Didn't know.

[Darksinga]

1.0 was good times. will only play if people are willing to start elf only guild with roleplaying. Have to be peck haters of course

[SamwiseRed]

i asked these hoes if they new the jersey crew they said no

http://i.imgur.com/RUg4d.jpg

[BigSlip]

chatroulette is kind of fun


dont be a pussy and hide behind a picture tho

[SamwiseRed]

i had webcam on too. but trolling as samwise was getting more chicks than my ugly mug

[BigSlip]

lol

[SamwiseRed]

i was a little disappointed. nite of trollng people in RL started out good. ran into some whores in AK with a rebel flag in the background saluting me like im hitler. then they started drawing swastikas all over the chat box. probably the funniest shit was getting guys who looked like they were about to masturbate and call them out for it.

[Rettii]

i asked these hoes if they new the jersey crew they said no

http://i.imgur.com/RUg4d.jpg

HAHAHA

[Rettii]

rip loz

was fun for a month

but always new the end was near

i got server first Vibrating Gauntlets of Infuse

get some u cleric #2

[Pudge]

dont see any classic characters, went ahead and saved the name knuckle for EC Tunnel purchases. Legacy Names for RL pizza

logged in, had no chars, made pudge, saw 12 toons online, logged off

[Pudge]

Guys, guys seriously

NO ONE CHEATS ON P99

SERIOUSLY!!

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94127




(If you're not familiar with MQ2, if you're an officer of a guild it will list it under your name in game, which shows in that screenshot whoever the dude was that took it is running MQ and clearly not banned on P99 for it)

Anyone complaining about cheaters on VZTZ just needs to play better, it's not like live where someone just runs around speed hacking or warping to you without being banned. If anything, people would use /target from across the zone and thats the extent of it. Anyone trying to make a case for anything else is just bad and a whiner. Red99 sucks.

naw, the worst of it was ppl setting their run speed to *just* slightly faster than SoW. also, /stick. fiegi got me with that combo pretty bad once. dirty scum

[jeffd]

@pudge: p much what i did

could be convinced to switch with 100+ pop since the devs here are garbage and r99 sucks, but with 15 accounts online even with boxing, no ty

[Kringe]

i understand the semantics of it you hax0r.

i was speaking to the lack of originality and class. big surprise that went over your head.

Hey guy... I love you!! I was just being facetious Sir..

[rykkerrz]

Remember when p99 was scared of LoZ and released Kunark?? Lets log on vztz and box to maybe scare them into dropping epics or YT.....I still think red wouldn't have kunark if things didnt happen the way they did

[Sirken]

Remember when p99 was scared of LoZ and released Kunark?? Lets log on vztz and box to maybe scare them into dropping epics or YT.....I still think red wouldn't have kunark if things didnt happen the way they did

yep.

LoZ thwarted our master plan to keep kunark away from u all.

"you have gotten better at online sleuthing (34)"




someone remind me? what are the words of the Starks?

[Nirgon]

Sirken, sleuth us together some item loot and resist fixes (read: real EQ FFA PvP).

So close yet so far.

[SamwiseRed]

i always wondered why i would find arzak corpses in felwithe, seeing as hes a high elf paladin i fought it odd. perhaps sirken could sleuth this zonefile exploitation going on.

[Sirken]

Sirken, sleuth us together some item loot and resist fixes (read: real EQ FFA PvP).

So close yet so far.

Velious and YT at top of list.

resists are fine. are they a bit different than live? yes. this system allows all classes to be viable in pvp. on live during classic any MR based classes were useless in solo pvp. with this system a cleric can do more than stand there healing himself.

love it or hate it, the resists on R99 are not even close to the biggest problem on the server. people need to learn to adapt and utilize these changes for their benefit instead of dragging their feet in the mud and using it as an excuse for being bad.

after velious and YT, id be willing to start have a dialog about resists. but not before. priorities and all.

[Nirgon]

I'd say having to rely on root spam and zerging is being bad.

But that's just my (and apparently the original EQ developers') opinion.

[Sirken]

i always wondered why i would find arzak corpses in felwithe, seeing as hes a high elf paladin i fought it odd. perhaps sirken could sleuth this zonefile exploitation going on.

im actually looking into this, and ask that anyone who has any info, please send it to me or Rogean in a PM with the subject line marked as "Deleted Zone File Hacks" please be sure to include all relevant information that you can think of. we dont mind wordy PMs, we LOVE details.

[Nirgon]

In the meantime Samwise, stop being bad at EQ and learn to adapt to mage pets that 100% root you at 200MR.

I agree with you on Velious/YT on the top of the list.

But unfortunately resist fixes for the longest time were prioritzed under smelling your fingers.

[Sirken]

In the meantime Samwise, stop being bad at EQ and learn to adapt to mage pets that 100% root you at 200MR.

I agree with you on Velious/YT on the top of the list.

But unfortunately resist fixes for the longest time were prioritzed under smelling your fingers.

i dont play, so maybe i'm completely off base in my assumptions here. but why cant you just pumice mage pet root off?

manage your buffs so root lands at the top, and pumice it.

[Lexical]

i dont play, so maybe i'm completely off base in my assumptions here. but why cant you just pumice mage pet root off?

manage your buffs so root lands at the top, and pumice it.

I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

[Nirgon]

i dont play, so maybe i'm completely off base in my assumptions here. but why cant you just pumice mage pet root off?

manage your buffs so root lands at the top, and pumice it.

I think we can skip the basics here talking to Dr. Nirgon but I'll bite.

Pure melees have no chanelling skill for one. Further, even if you do, a Kunark assist train will lay you out in 3 seconds (cast time of pumice).

Not to mention, that fucker spams root while mages spam bolts that travel thru walls here. Now consider more than 1 mage.. and more obvious problems I can point out with this.

Bolts need to just be made into nukes until that through walls stuff is fixed too.

I'm not sure if you're just curious or actually defending a pet that spams unresistable root =).

[Sirken]

I think we can skip the basics here talking to Dr. Nirgon but I'll bite.

Pure melees have no chanelling skill for one. Further, even if you do, a Kunark assist train will lay you out in 3 seconds (cast time of pumice).

Not to mention, that fucker spams root while mages spam bolts that travel thru walls here. Now consider more than 1 mage.. and more obvious problems I can point out with this.

Bolts need to just be made into nukes until that through walls stuff is fixed too.

I'm not sure if you're just curious or actually defending a pet that spams unresistable root =).

was honestly asking/curious. contrary to what some dumb kids post on the forums, i truly have not played on red.

but it sounds like the bigger problem are Mage bolts not working correctly, along with maybe mage pets proc'ing their spell to often.

you also have to remember mages are a 100% offense class. they have 0 defense spells besides gate. they have to get in, kill you, and get out fast. Root/fear mage pet, and then go beat the mage to death with your bare hands. he wont be able to stop you.

[OforOppression]

Mage pet prices have been nuts since beta. Had many a pk in lower level zones with earth pet on beta.

[Nirgon]

Fair enough, I do take you serious.

You have to think more about the group dynamic issue of this or a mage in the hands of a skilled player and not a scrub.

If I'm a mage and send my pet, person is immediately rooted. They start a root, I start a cancel magic. Root lands on pet, shortly after dispel lands on it and resumes.

Or, even in less skilled hands, you're trading dispel casts on you for nukes. The mage can easily OOR you with bolts while you're rooted too.

It's pretty bad dawg. On live that spell was insanely resisted.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw.html?id=1022&source=Live

I PM'd you the live resist calc logic using those variables (pvp resist calc, pvp resist base, pvp resist cap)

If for no other reason than its just cool to know how resists in EQ PvP actually worked.

[Sirken]

in early levels in classic, mages are op as fawk. my main on live was a mage from 99-04.

in kunark on live my mage pet was able to solo a 54 warrior in decent gear in Seb at the entrance.

root/fear the pet and mage = dead.

as far as the procs and bolts, ill look at some stuff and then ill talk to Nilbog if it is indeed screwed up

[Nirgon]

I'd also agree that mages are an offense class but when you can /pet attack and back off to spam pretty much guaranteed roots having to be almost no where near the target but definitely not within line of sight... it becomes a very decent control class. Something it isn't supposed to be.

Worse you can just send it into a dungeon after someone, it will bring a train (when it dies) and 100% root them lol.

[Nirgon]

root/fear the pet and mage = dead.




I'd like to 1v1 you with a current mage and you tell me how well you're able to keep it rooted.

WINK!

PS: good discussins', thanks for tuggin' on Nildawgs shirt for me

[Sirken]

I'd like to 1v1 you with a current mage and you tell me how well you're able to keep it rooted.

WINK!

PS: good discussins', thanks for tuggin' on Nildawgs shirt for me

Fair enough, I do take you serious.

You have to think more about the group dynamic issue of this or a mage in the hands of a skilled player and not a scrub.

If I'm a mage and send my pet, person is immediately rooted. They start a root, I start a cancel magic. Root lands on pet, shortly after dispel lands on it and resumes.

Or, even in less skilled hands, you're trading dispel casts on you for nukes. The mage can easily OOR you with bolts while you're rooted too.

It's pretty bad dawg. On live that spell was insanely resisted.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw.html?id=1022&source=Live

I PM'd you the live resist calc logic using those variables (pvp resist calc, pvp resist base, pvp resist cap)

If for no other reason than its just cool to know how resists in EQ PvP actually worked.

ty sir, i will check this all out. as i said, i know a lot about how mages should work. in kunark, they were not the end all be all of norrath. and if i remember correctly, once i got to 52+ i was rotating between water and air for the stuns and backstabs before i got my epic because the root pet was pretty useless in pvp for how often its root was resisted.

[Nirgon]

Yeah and the epic pet is another discussion.

That fucker was just innately fast, faster even than lvl 60 sow with velocity.

It also had a VERY high innate magic resist, probably like... 1 in 10 roots'd land and not for any meaningful duration.

There's more to pets like if you gave them resist magic, they were practically immune to root because of how NPC resist calc work and how much resist that resist magic made. This opens the door to even more fun strategy with mechanics like buff stacking and actually wanding a pet or needing an enchanter to 4x dispel to make shit happen. There's more to EQ PvP than most know and its quite great when you understand the finer points.

Going on with my last comment, there's lots of PvP "not classic" things that I could harp on and on about, but like you said... priorities. The things I'm bringing up are pretty major and this'd top my list, root/stun/blind resist 2nd, and then YT (I'm not for YT to be honest, its not classic, but it might help improve the population). The people who are here to enjoy a classic EQ PvP experience might say this list matches theirs... but perhaps, the pixel lust has taken them and I must be strong and carry the torch in their time of weakness.

[Nirgon]

This is about PvP here bruh but thank ya for your classic input.

[Knuckle]

I'm feeling pretty iffy about this current VZTZ box. I remember there was ALOT of shit that had to be fixxed on 2.0 > 3.0 that is all currently undone. I can't remember the specifics though, so I feel like I'd be way behind the l33t sploiters that remember and used all the box sploits. The only one I remember vividly was selling potions back for more than I made them, I think the IVU potion or levitate potion was the money maker. lol.

I would paypal 100 bucks if someone would fucking archive the old pwnedemu forums somehow, they are worth more than any pixels.

[Knuckle]

mages broken on red99? necro dots nerfed 67% in pvp, but nukes hit for full. No LOS, No Problem? Every class I play gets shit on. Glad I'm obsessed with skyrim right now.

[Nirgon]

I might be gettin up in there

[Xantille]

We'll see how this develops. Could be a fun time.

lets do this

[Nirgon]

Here I go again on my own, goin' down the only road I've ever known

[Graahle]

Here I go again on my own, goin' down the only road I've ever known

Whitesnake.

[Rettii]

Coming from someone who actually knows wtf there talking about, mages back in the day we're OK at soloing low levels. But once you got some levels (not twinked) 30ish you would cast one spell and get aggro. Even if the mob was at 75%, Not to mention the fact that your pet would get ate up. So a battle solo ended up you losing your pet. And trying to burn the mob downbefore it burned you down.

Heart is in the right place, very cute

Thanks good guy Sirken for entertaining the discussion w Nig ron

[Greegon]

Actually gonna give this a shot, new servers are so gr8 :)

Looking for partner to level with

whatd you roll?

[Kringe]

ty sir, i will check this all out. as i said, i know a lot about how mages should work. in kunark, they were not the end all be all of norrath. and if i remember correctly, once i got to 52+ i was rotating between water and air for the stuns and backstabs before i got my epic because the root pet was pretty useless in pvp for how often its root was resisted.

Problem here Sirken, and has been on a few boxes until fixed, is that the Mage Pet proc is lure based. Making it very very hard to resist. I think thats the issue they are trying to tackle

[hagard]

lets do this

[Arclyte]

box will be shit and empty

[Sirken]

I would paypal 100 bucks if someone would fucking archive the old pwnedemu forums somehow, they are worth more than any pixels.

you owe keegan 100$

http://emu.pwned.com/forum.php

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Just order one of those plastic pussies or asses Keegan manufactures from his website.

Fucking creeper. How did we not find this information out during his reign of VZTZ? It would of been fucking AMAZING troll material.

[Clark]

80% of the ex GM's and people who ran VZTZ were douchebags and faggots. I'd rather have somebody new give it a try instead of any of the old crew.

lol

[Knuckle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58EGadkT8TA

oh man about shit my pants on this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFLcHY5pPI

miss the classic smedy spielberg moments

[Knuckle]

damn box life days, uncovered a rare tome

http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?13103-Conversation-with-Gyno-s-Wife(literally)

[hagard]

thats 1 cool wife

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Ya she's pretty cool. She's asleep right now. You guys want me to set up a webcam so you can watch her sleep???????????????????

[Doors]

Yes.

[Knuckle]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/600/dreamcircus.jpg

[OforOppression]

Gyno's wife seems like quite a peach

[Xantille]

my fap material

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjYWPfwgWU

[Knuckle]

my fap material

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjYWPfwgWU

miss you veteran pal, log in and slay a large rat with me on the new vztz

[Xantille]

miss you veteran pal, log in and slay a large rat with me on the new vztz

<3.

the fuck? people are actually playing that?

[Knuckle]

lasher, kringe, and i are. im level 5

[JayDee]

Thing that made vztz great was the shitbags who resided there. Miss you all, except lasher.

[JayDee]

and fuck 2.0 the only iteration I didn't play on :p

Gronkus 1.0 database or bust

[Knuckle]

Restore Confirmed.

pwnedemu.com

[TheLieka]

Dear god. Let it die (says the guy that rezes the thread).

[Knuckle]

Dear god. Let it die (says the guy that rezes the thread).

pras lord daxum

[Nune]

Yeah and the epic pet is another discussion.

That fucker was just innately fast, faster even than lvl 60 sow with velocity.

It also had a VERY high innate magic resist, probably like... 1 in 10 roots'd land and not for any meaningful duration.

There's more to pets like if you gave them resist magic, they were practically immune to root because of how NPC resist calc work and how much resist that resist magic made. This opens the door to even more fun strategy with mechanics like buff stacking and actually wanding a pet or needing an enchanter to 4x dispel to make shit happen. There's more to EQ PvP than most know and its quite great when you understand the finer points.

Going on with my last comment, there's lots of PvP "not classic" things that I could harp on and on about, but like you said... priorities. The things I'm bringing up are pretty major and this'd top my list, root/stun/blind resist 2nd, and then YT (I'm not for YT to be honest, its not classic, but it might help improve the population). The people who are here to enjoy a classic EQ PvP experience might say this list matches theirs... but perhaps, the pixel lust has taken them and I must be strong and carry the torch in their time of weakness.

Your posts make me want to play Red again. +1 to you sir.