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Aeolwind
10-20-2009, 09:23 AM
Reports of alliance not affecting faction.

Khaleel
10-20-2009, 07:07 PM
Something about either Alliance, Minor Illusion, or how brownies react to the combination of those two spells does not seem to be mimicking live. According to the comments at the 1999 archived copy of castersrealm, Erudites start dubious to brownies, do not notice a faction change (still dubious) with Alliance, but are raised high enough by minor illusion to purchase spells (probably apprehensive -- this isn't discussed). Sorry I don't have an example that isn't also possibly a failing of another spell but this is the only time I've had reason to use it so far.

See comments at: http://web.archive.org/web/20010108022000/eq.castersrealm.com/spells/enchanter/spelldescriptions.asp?SpellID=171

Allizia
10-20-2009, 09:08 PM
I've never played an enchanter past level 8 until now, but I tried to cast benevolence one time on a merchant, it was resisted and 20 guards/merchants beat me to a pulp in Neriak, not sure if alliance spells caused that in classic

Khaleel
10-21-2009, 05:33 PM
Tried using Alliance against a number of targets ranging from green to red when servers came back up today. Every time, I got only an error message: Your spell did not take hold. The brownies I mentioned earlier, however, would not be a problem regardless of alliance working or not if treeform modified my faction with them properly; a poster here mentions that it raised him from dubious to amiable: http://web.archive.org/web/20001020150504/eq.castersrealm.com/spells/enchanter/spelldescriptions.asp?SpellID=171&Page=2

Aeolwind
10-21-2009, 05:36 PM
If it's any consequence, the Guide Alliance spell does work.

Khaleel
10-21-2009, 05:51 PM
Tried casting the next spell up from Alliance, Benevolence. This spell does not produce the 'Your spell cannot take hold' message, but despite giving a success message makes the mob you cast it on aggro on you.

EDIT: That said, other mobs of the same faction seem to have received the proper faction adjustment.

guineapig
01-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Bump:

Do the devs think that there is a fix on the way for this? If not just say so and I'll let it drop.

Malrubius
01-19-2010, 02:44 PM
More bump :) This spell-line is hugely important for chanters - please let us know if it is fixable or if we should just drop it and move on (as guineapig said).

For the record - it should be unresistable, non-aggro, and increase faction for all factions that the target mob belongs to.

zahlia
02-03-2010, 12:25 AM
Just confirming that players still receive a "Your spell did not take hold" message regardless of whom they cast it on. Very much hoping to see this fixed!

guineapig
02-03-2010, 09:04 AM
Double bump!

Breyen
02-08-2010, 12:52 AM
Still broken... bump.

guineapig
02-14-2010, 03:40 PM
Bumping since illusion factions are apparently broken.

With charm and illusion borked, at least give us this.

Malrubius
02-14-2010, 11:09 PM
Rebump - since this makes me sad.

zahlia
02-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Bump 3+ months old thread. Is this spell line not a priority, or just tough to fix, or not in the cards at all? Inquiring enchanters want to know!

Aeolwind
02-21-2010, 04:26 PM
My guess would be no one is quite sure how to tackle it. When dealing with faction from a Dev stand point: Surgeon General Warns, faction may cause herpes, cancer, IBS, arthritis, high blood pressure, and death.

But yes, this is still an open issue and not "rugged".

zahlia
02-21-2010, 06:08 PM
Thanks for the update!

FatMagic
04-20-2010, 11:33 AM
As an update/reminder: Alliance still not working, doesn't change faction at all.
But Illusions work great for changing faction!

guineapig
04-20-2010, 12:00 PM
I thought benevolence at least was changed a while ago (part of the same spell line)

Also I know I used my alliance wand as soon as I got it and didn't agro the NPCs in solro.
Is it just the faction that's not changing for you guys?

Omnimorph
04-21-2010, 06:51 AM
Alliance worked find for me, used it on guard ackmin when he was threat to me and took him to dub. Meant i could afk safely in NFP ;p

Zimzulu
04-21-2010, 11:28 AM
I know bene works, used it in SolRo, but if it is resisted you are toast. Tried to use Alliance from Rod of Insidious Glamor on a merchent in freeport, it took but I didn't get any faction boost that I could tell.

Omnimorph
04-21-2010, 11:32 AM
I know bene works, used it in SolRo, but if it is resisted you are toast. Tried to use Alliance from Rod of Insidious Glamor on a merchent in freeport, it took but I didn't get any faction boost that I could tell.

If bene works isn't more likely that alliance just isn't a big enough faction boost to cause any noticeable difference in faction?

Like i said, i've seen alliance change my faction with NPC's, and it's never drawn aggro or been resisted. Working fine for me.

guineapig
04-21-2010, 12:19 PM
Sounds like this is resolved.

I was even spamming Alliance on mobs in Hate last night (using glamor rod) to see if I could generate any aggro... yeah I was bored. I did not get a single resist, even from golems and none of them aggroed me.

It seems like some people just missed the patch when this was fixed and assumed it's still broken when it isn't?

Unless somebody can confirm that something broke since the latest patch this should be moved to resolved.

Shannacore
04-21-2010, 01:22 PM
Reports of alliance not affecting faction.

for the horde!

nilbog
05-01-2010, 11:56 PM
All fixed?

Malrubius
05-02-2010, 11:55 AM
All fixed?

Aye, looks fixed to me for the past couple of weeks. Thank you!