P99 raiding

[Kylenorr]

Are most of the raiding guilds on this server DKP based? NBG? Assigned loots? I'm new to the EMU mmo world, but played live servers for 5 years and then EQ2 for 6 (where i raided almost exclusively on 3 different chars by the end). Now, I work during the day, and am a musician at night (If you want to hear my stuff PM me) so my schedule is tough on raiding. I do want to raid, however, so NBGs (or any that raid enough that I could jump randomly and have a chance at loot) are probably much better than DKP for me. That exist here?


happy killing,
Kylenorr

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

what guild were you in in eq2? in my experience, non-dkp guilds are basically like Heathers -- in vs out crowd.

But in eq2, I know a lot of people bought into that scam. What guild?


hehehe

[Kylenorr]

Nah, I was DKP in EQ2. Was on the Oasis server. Was just asking because my schedule now would making buliding up dkp challenging. If most quality guilds use it, I'd probably just suck it up and do it though haha.

happy killing,
Kylenorr

[tekniq]

ain't no such thang as DKP, or they'll say it's DKP when it's really not. it's all loot council, so get ready to suck the fat one if you want lewt.

[Phinger]

A lot of the raid guilds here are point based. The more casual raid guilds tend to be loot council. Flawless Victory is for the most part NBG, but big ticket items are council. I'm a casual player so FVs system works great for me.

[Tarathiel]

the raid guilds have a PP based loot system which basically means you have to pay PP to the top tier guild to get any loot from a raid target

haha just kidding something like that would never happen!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The common complain against a dkp system is a fallacy. Namely, that the long term players just accumulate so many points, newer players cannot compete.

Every single functioning dkp long term dkp guild either deals with this matter easily, or has their entire member base gulled.

The easy solution? You do a monthy or bi-monthly point adjustment. The formulas are not complex. What you do is take the median, then adjust the top point bearers down by a certain curve, and adjust the lower ones up, excluding playing not meeting # or % or raids.

It is not hard. Please, anyone tries to give this bogus argument against dkp, is counting on you not knowing that this is how any sane dkp guild functions. They do periodic point adjustments. People who bitch? byebye!

it's fair, it works, it avoids Heatherism.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

but maybe p99 likes Heatherism? that's cool. but I ain't lickin no mangina for loot.

[oddibemcd]

I don't understand why DKP guilds don't deduct from totals when items are awarded.

Anyone who wants a drop could submit a blind bid with how many points they want to spend on said item and the winner has that number subtracted from his or her total.

Is there a drawback to such a system?

[White Ranger]

I am also looking for a raid guild where I don't need to show up to most raids yet still get awarded all the loots I want. Guild leaders PM me plz.

[Boilon]

I don't understand why DKP guilds don't deduct from totals when items are awarded.

Anyone who wants a drop could submit a blind bid with how many points they want to spend on said item and the winner has that number subtracted from his or her total.

Is there a drawback to such a system?

This system was used in my EQ2 raiding guild. I still think the problem remains that long time guild members are still going to have a crap ton of points over newer guild members for long time to come unless the aforementioned point adjustment is made. That being said Europa does not use any dkp system, but I guess we're not 'top-tier' like TMO/FE and maybe whatever BDA does.

[Splorf22]

I have to wonder if those kind of systems are really so unfair. I mean in VD there were a couple of people with full sky loot who spent a lot of time there with us (Anthrax, Roran etc) so of course when epics came out we hit them first.

Of course with TMO they are gearing their 3rd alts half the time so the whole situation becomes kind of silly, but in general I don't really see the problem. You put in the time, you get the phat lewts. What could be more fair than that?

Just to add I think that DKP + second price blind bids seems like a very reasonable system.

[Boilon]

I think the problem that I have with DKP now, or at least for the lesser guilds out there, is that without the release of Velious there are far less 'raid targets' to go around and therefore generally less loot being distributed among guilds. I would be more inclined to implement such a system come Velious, but I feel that if implemented now that it would lead to a general unnecessary collection of points. Unless the points were wiped come Velious but then some raiders might disagree with doing that.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

curve.


repeat: it's a curve.

So go ahead and be top. your total number removed will then be the most. you basically turn a distribution whose gradation goes from being sharp to flattened. You do this adjustment by officers and leader's discretion, like once a month if doing 7 day or 6 day routine. Less often if more casual.

Also, you do it if you guild merge in a bunch of new members. It's not hard. The goal is to keep a not-too-steep dkp distribution, and let people bid what they will. hopefully while drunk.

In any event, also, one shouldn't be a jerk. Know your place. Ya know, chanters? Well, sure, for kicks, but beyond a certain point not the cloth wearing must-gear.

It's not hard to be smart and free!

Wolverines!

[Clark]

I wish /ran 100 was used more often. That way everybody would have a fair shot-

[ArumTP]

My guild runs on DKP, it is truly the best system.

Your raid, you get DKP. You spend DKP to get items. If you aren't acquiring items due to a lack of DKP, clearly you aren't doing enough to help out the guild in the first place. Properly ran DKP will always deduct from pool, once item has been bid on and taken. New members have no issue with getting planar loot, as the people with large DKP totals already have everything there. If something does drop that people with large DKP pools want watch those points just fly, bringing around next time for people with less DKP a shot at bidding on something highly desirable.

Loot council, NBG is pure bullshit. It generally has all the loot go to those who kiss the most ass.

Ive played in guilds that use that loot council bullshit. Its a terrible system, never knew at any given time when I would get anything. I would show the same frequency to guild raids as others, but never getting as much. Consistent bias in gearing certain long term members over new ones.

DKP removes all bias

[Autotune]

curve.


repeat: it's a curve.

So go ahead and be top. your total number removed will then be the most. you basically turn a distribution whose gradation goes from being sharp to flattened. You do this adjustment by officers and leader's discretion, like once a month if doing 7 day or 6 day routine. Less often if more casual.

Also, you do it if you guild merge in a bunch of new members. It's not hard. The goal is to keep a not-too-steep dkp distribution, and let people bid what they will. hopefully while drunk.

In any event, also, one shouldn't be a jerk. Know your place. Ya know, chanters? Well, sure, for kicks, but beyond a certain point not the cloth wearing must-gear.

It's not hard to be smart and free!

Wolverines!
This would be great, if you didn't have people tracking or cared about tracking.

Good luck finding people that want to track with their effort getting shit on at the end of every month.