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Otur
12-23-2012, 07:42 AM
This bug got me killed a dussin times already. Basicly it shows you're hide/sneak, but all the mobs see you anyways. It happends randomly, but common enough to be a menace. As you can see, both NPCs scowls at me, even tho hide/sneak is active.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2i0f0if.jpg

I already tested re-sneaking/invising and made sure the NPCs on the screencap does NOT see invis. Spoken with other rogues too that experienced the same thing.
Kender
12-23-2012, 04:26 PM
have you tried it with not pressing hide and sneak so close together? maybe sneak is interferring with the hide since you activated it before the hide completed.

p.s. you need some water
Otur
12-26-2012, 02:23 PM
have you tried it with not pressing hide and sneak so close together? maybe sneak is interferring with the hide since you activated it before the hide completed.

p.s. you need some water

I playtested with pause between sneak and hide and the bug is still there :( just gotta /con every mob until bug gets fixed ;)
maximum
12-26-2012, 07:51 PM
What is your Hide/Sneak skill? What level is your character?

I also noticed that you have a "STEALTH" macro key (instead of an actual Hide & Sneak). Have you tried to stand still and press just Hide?
Nirgon
12-27-2012, 10:37 AM
Actually rogue hide shouldn't be the end all/be all to the dungeon crawling world. It gave nothing special over regular invis for the longest time, don't think it even gave any invisibility to undead at all. Not 100% on the undead part, but I had a rogue for a time and he wasn't able to just hide/sneak past every mob.

That said, this looks wrong for this server.
Tecmos Deception
12-27-2012, 10:48 AM
You sure this isn't an issue that's covered elsewhere in these forums already? There are a few issues with hide/sneak dropping without appearing when you click on PC corpses or do things with trade windows or looting.
maximum
12-27-2012, 12:08 PM
If this is only happening in Sebilis, then it is probably working as designed. My guess would be that the patrolling entrance frog is a caster, and it is giving all the melee mobs a See Invisible buff. See also: Mobs overbuffing other mobs (https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75903)

Similar bug reports:

https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43244 Sebilis

https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59283

https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77280
Itap
12-27-2012, 12:15 PM
Lol, why is the thread title in caps, like how dare something with the rogue class be broken!

Get in line, pal
Furniture
12-27-2012, 12:18 PM
random caster mobs in sebilis see through invis, and i do not think any mobs in the game cast see invis
Junkman
12-27-2012, 04:48 PM
unless someone charmd it and casted see invis/dmf on the mob
Boilon
12-28-2012, 08:24 AM
LOL that's just evil then if an Enchanter is walking around charming and casting see invis. That's as bad as the cliff golems with swords.
Otur
01-10-2013, 11:14 AM
To answer alot of questions that appear more or less the same:

When I de-hide and re-hide, the same NPC that just saw thru my stealth a minute ago doesnt. And yes I got a macro with a pause in between for the two skills, sneak and hide. And no it doesnt make any diffrence if I press them manually, or with my macro.
And the "bug" or whatever it is isnt Sebilis only, its about everywhere. I just encountered it mostly in Sebilis because thats where i'm exping.

And I put the "BROKEN" in the title in capitols because I can! :D:D:D
Otur
03-19-2013, 01:19 PM
Bump! This still being a huge problem causing the death of many rogues! 8)
RyoGTO
03-22-2013, 11:59 AM
Actually rogue hide shouldn't be the end all/be all to the dungeon crawling world. It gave nothing special over regular invis for the longest time, don't think it even gave any invisibility to undead at all. Not 100% on the undead part, but I had a rogue for a time and he wasn't able to just hide/sneak past every mob.


Wrong.

Rogue invis (Sneak/Hide) was Invis/IVU, always. I mained a rogue on live from Kunark to PoP. (In fact, I had three separate rogues as mains throughout this era). The mobs that could see through sneak/hide were only special high level See invis/See IVU mobs.
Treats
03-22-2013, 12:43 PM
The mobs that could see through sneak/hide were only special high level See invis/See IVU mobs.

If Sneak/Hide was only seen by high level See Invis/See IVU NPCS there would have been no point for them to add the Alternate Ability Shroud of Stealth.
RyoGTO
03-22-2013, 01:24 PM
If Sneak/Hide was only seen by high level See Invis/See IVU NPCS there would have been no point for them to add the Alternate Ability Shroud of Stealth.

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, since shroud of stealth was precisely for the reason I just mentioned.

Here is the definition for the AA Shroud of Stealth:

"This ability provides a previously unheard of level of stealth. The Rogue is able to draw shadows about himself so completely, even creatures that are normally not fooled by such trickery are frequently unable to see him. You may train in this ability upon reaching level 63."

This is not "Now you will be also have IVU with Sneak/Hide." Sneak/Hide always was IVU+Invis. I had over a year in days of played time on rogues, I remember it quite clearly, and this Shroud of Stealth only proves my point.
Treats
03-22-2013, 03:08 PM
I am not sure how you reached that conclusion, since shroud of stealth was precisely for the reason I just mentioned.

Here is the definition for the AA Shroud of Stealth:

"This ability provides a previously unheard of level of stealth. The Rogue is able to draw shadows about himself so completely, even creatures that are normally not fooled by such trickery are frequently unable to see him. You may train in this ability upon reaching level 63."

This is not "Now you will be also have IVU with Sneak/Hide." Sneak/Hide always was IVU+Invis. I had over a year in days of played time on rogues, I remember it quite clearly, and this Shroud of Stealth only proves my point.

I'm not saying that Sneak/Hide did not give Ivu before Shroud of Stealth.

The point I am trying to make here is that BEFORE Shroud of Stealth was implemented any NPC that had See Invisible/See Ivu could see a Rogue with Sneak/Hide active.

Sneak/Hide only worked as a regular Invis/Ivu spell, nothing more.
RyoGTO
03-22-2013, 03:24 PM
I'm not saying that Sneak/Hide did not give Ivu before Shroud of Stealth.

The point I am trying to make here is that BEFORE Shroud of Stealth was implemented any NPC that had See Invisible/See Ivu could see a Rogue with Sneak/Hide active.

Sneak/Hide only worked as a regular Invis/Ivu spell, nothing more.


True, See invis/See IVU mobs (like the Bats in Guk/Sol) you had to sneak behind. However, my reply was to the suggestion that it was not even an IVU and that it was merely normal Invis outside of being behind mobs--that is wrong.