retroactively nerfed items

[nilbog]

I need a consolidated list of items which have been retroactively changed, or will be retroactively changed.

Note: This is for items which have their existing stats changed, not ones replaced or removed altogether.

I also need a rough estimate/time where these items need to change. If multiple changes happened within a single month according to patch history, we will likely include all of those changes into one. For example, the following items have been completed and associated with a standout occurance on the time line.

Italicized = complete.

Robe of Living Fungus - Hole
Deepwater Helm - Epics
Wurmslayer - Epics
Burning Rapier - Kunark
Barbed Scale Whip - Epics
Mosscovered Twig - Epics
Terror Forged Mask - Kunark
Efreeti Standard - Epics
Ragebringer - 2 weeks after Epics (October00)
Bixie Sword Blade - Epic Revamps
Incarnadine Breastplate - Epic Revamps
Singing Steel Boots - Epic Revamps
Singing Steel Greaves - Epic Revamps
Gunthak Harpoon - Hole
Imbued Granite Spauldors - November01
Antonican Javelins - July 2001
Donal's Chestplate of Mourning e.1.0 - Velious
Donal's Chestplate of Mourning e.2.0 - Feb2001
Wurmslayer e.2.0 - Feb2001
Quivers haste - May2001

edits/reports from this thread (To Do List):




Cleric Velious BPs e.1.0 - 03/06/2001
Cleric Velious BPs e.2.0 - 03/14/2001





More please. If you know the date, or a link to it, include it.

[Sundawg]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51537&highlight=bixie+sword

[koros]

A lot of Velious weapons were upgraded... but not sure if you guys are/want to go through the trouble of changing them per timeline, many were changed fairly quickly after ToV got conquered.

*I'm mentioning upgraded in addition to nerfed because you listed Burning Rapier, which had its stats upped.

[nilbog]

A lot of Velious weapons were upgraded... but not sure if you guys are/want to go through the trouble of changing them per timeline, many were changed fairly quickly after ToV got conquered.

*I'm mentioning upgraded in addition to nerfed because you listed Burning Rapier, which had its stats upped.

Yep. I'm still interested.

[Dentalplan]

Donal's Chestplate. Complete heal click first nerfed to 30s cast time and then later given some kind of cooldown effect as well.

[koros]

Ok, I'll start to piece together a list while it's slow at work today of everything I can think of. Some of it will require SS verification that I'll get later or someone can look up...

Adding stuff as I go, sorry if it's not pretty:

-Mistwalker gets proc nerfed
-Willsapper gets nerfed from 50% haste to 35% haste
-Reaver gets upped from 35/45 to 40/40
-Mrylokar's Dagger get's nerfed to 12/16 then back to 15/19, proc nerfed from 100 lifetap to 90 over 3 ticks
-Cloak of Venom gets upgraded -
http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/tov/cloakvenom.jpg
-Axe of the Kromzek kings get upgraded - http://www.afterlifeguild.org/images/tormax/kromzek_axe.jpg
-Incardine BP should currently be clickable by anyone, gets nerfed in Velious to can equip
-Robe of the Spring shouldn't be dropping - only a handful ever dropped on live before it was taken out.
-Deepwater helm should be nerfed to 10 sec cast time
-Bunch of things here were upgraded:

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/template.cgi?page=index_may_oct01

-Frostreaver gets upgraded from 36/46
"UPGRADE
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The axe have been upgraded to 42 dmg 43 delay"

More to come...

[Ele]

-Incardine BP should currently be clickable by anyone, gets nerfed in Velious to can equip



Should be clickable from inventory and usable by all.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3416&highlight=incarnadine

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12480&highlight=incarnadine

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2428&highlight=incarnadine

Incarnadine Breastplate should be usable from inventory, as currently implemented it must be worn to activate the effect.

Wearing it was made a requirement in the March 27, 2001 patch, post-Velious.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010327.html

Quote:
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March 27, 2001 2:00 am
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*Item Changes*
The Incarnadine Breastplate must now be worn to activate.

[Ele]

-Robe of the Spring shouldn't be dropping - only a handful ever dropped on live before it was taken out.
.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65686

[koros]

There's apparently not a lot of evidence about this, because only a few of the first VP guilds ever got any.

Check the item on alla, it was obviously posted years later as pretty much no comments or information exists about it. I'm certain it didn't drop:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=46890

[Ele]

Donal's Chestplate. Complete heal click first nerfed to 30s cast time and then later given some kind of cooldown effect as well.

Change 1: 20 seconds -> 30 seconds
Donal's BP is 20 seconds from Kunark -> Velious +14 days.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1960

The above thread discusses the patch message of December 19, and people confirmed the casting time was increased to 30 seconds.

December 19th, 3:00am
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*Patch Day*

Today's patch primarily consists of tuning of Velious zones as well as content and other additions. In addition, the following changes have been implemented on the Live servers:

- High-end items that have a activatable (right-click) healing effect have in several cases had their casting times increased.
These threads from the day after the December 19, 2000, patch also confirm it was a 20 second casting time from Kunark -> Velious + 14 days.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1972
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2018

Change 2: 30 seconds and 7.5 min 1hp/tick buff preventing recast

The second change occurred about 11 weeks after Velious released. Donal's BP = 30 second cast time with the effect "Complete Heal" having a component buff that lasts 7.5 minutes, non-removable, non-dispellable, 1hp/tick preventing other Donal's BP clicks from landing as long as the buff is in place.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16622&highlight=donal%27s+nerf
Donal's Breastplate has an effect called "Complete Heal" (not our level 39 spell). Lucy says that the effect is "Complete Heal (over time)".

*What* is a complete heal over time?

***
That spell is the result of the big nerf on Donal's BP. It was a regular CH before it was nerfed. People were taking down uber mobs of the time with 2 Donal's clerics and a warrior, so they made it into a 30-sec cast time and gave it a buff icon. You can only land the BP CH on a specific individual once every 10 mins or so.

It *was* overly powerful and deserved the nerf, but as per usual, it was nerfed into oblivion. It's not useful at all really anymore. Free CHs after a wipeout, I guess... but even that is pretty useless with a 30 sec cast time. Hell, with a bard playing mana regen, I regen enough for a CH in 30 secs anyway.

***

I didn't know about the buff icon thing that doesn't let you cast Donal's more than once every 7.5 minutes on someone. Talk about an over-nerf. I could see one or the other, but both? The 30 second cast tme alone would make me only use it on CR's or between pulls or something. Adding a 7.5 minute "you can't do that again" feature makes the 30 second cast time a slap in the face. How dare you use that clicky!

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February 21, 2001 3:00 am
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--- Donal's Breastplate can now only be used on any individual target
once every 7.5 minutes. This addresses some of the balance issues that
became apparent given the existence of a mana-free complete heal.

Change 3: Celestial Healing/Velious Cleric BPs -> Celestial Healing Casting time increased from 24 seconds to 1 minute

An additional 2 weeks after the mega Donal's BP nerf, the Velious Cleric BPs (Thurg/Kael/SS/PoG) get nerfed by increasing the casting time from 24 seconds to 1 minute.

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March 6, 2001 3:00 am
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-- The casting time for four cleric brestplates sporting the "Celestial
Healing" effect has been increased to one minute. We understand that
this severely limits the use of that effect and we are currently
discussing alternate effects to place on those items in the next patch.
We did, however, need to address the 300pt per tick regen that could be
placed and kept on the group tank. When we've decided on the new
affect, it will be applied to those items retroactively.

Change 4: Celestial Healing/Velious Cleric BPs -> Celestial Healing changed to Mark of Karn

A week later the Velious Cleric BPs are all nerfed from Celestial Healing to Mark of Karn. Mark of Karn is also upgraded to heal more per a hit.

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March 14, 2001 3:00 am
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- The spell, Mark of Karn, has been enhanced to heal more per hit.
- The effect on the Celestial Elixir Breastplates has been changed to
the enhanced Mark of Karn. The casting time on these items has also
been changed to 9 seconds.

[Itap]

Also, in regards to wurmslayer

Feb 2, 2001

The Wurmslayer will now fit in a bag.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010221a.html

[Treats]

Donal's Vambraces of Mourning

Cast time was shorter for awhile on Live but I don't think it was ever changed here.

Donal's Leggings of Mourning
Deepwater Breastplate

At some point there was a recast timer added to these (55 seconds)

Willsapper (Velious)

Energy Sap was originally a 50% slow @ level 60 but was later changed to 35% on April 17, 2001.

Wavecrasher (Velious)

Breath of the Sea was originally a 70% slow and unresistable @ level 60 but later changed to 20% and resistable on March 6, 2001.

[pasi]

Wavecrasher (Velious)

Breath of the Sea was originally a 70% slow and unresistable @ level 60 but later changed to 20% and resistable on March 6, 2001.

Shit, I'm usually on top of my game, but I don't remember this one. Seems like a solid candidate for the "things that are classic that should not be implemented here" list.

[Furniture]

Seems like a solid candidate for the "things that are classic that should not be implemented here" list.

no it does not.

[Treats]

Wavecrasher should probably have the 20% slow at Velious release.

As soon as this was figured out and actually used on Live (not many people did SG in the early months of Velious, Wavecrasher was rare also) it was nerfed.

Having an unresistable 70% slow procable by 6 different classes is pretty overpowering.

Anything that is not immune to Magic in Velious would be trivial once the first slow has landed.

[nilbog]

Updated OP with date information and clarification of needs.

[Itap]

Singing Steel Boots and Singing Steel Greaves have their effects changed March 27th, 2001

Changed the effects on the Singing Steel Boots and Greaves. After a fair amount of concern from players, we have removed the summon food and water effects from these items. They have been replaced with modified versions of Aria of the Eagles (boots) and Appalling Screech (greaves).

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010327.html

[Aeolwind]

Donal's Vamb's up to the point of the nerf should be double the cast time of valor. Which IIRC was 2 seconds, so Donals vambs should be 4 second cast. Along with the Paladin Helm that was right click Daring, had a 2 sec cast time.

Cast time post nerf I don't remember because I never used them again lol. Regardless, all the Kunark Clickies that mimicked existing spells had casting time of spell x2 as the formula initially.

[Sundawg]

May 25, 2000 8:00 am


The Runed Fighter's Staff, previously useable by Monks and Warriors,
has been restricted to Monks only. The statistics on this staff are
much more powerful than normally allowed for warriors. This change is
retroactive and will be reflected on items currently in inventory.
Though we strive to avoid negatively adjusting items after they have
been earned, this item presented a balance issue, making the change
necessary. We apologize to warriors that currently own this weapon.

[Itap]

May 25, 2000 8:00 am

Warrior has already been removed from RFS in-game

[Sundawg]

True, but its not yet on his completed list, unlike other items that have already changed such as terror forged mask.

[nilbog]

Ragebringer - 2 weeks after Epics (October00)
Bixie Sword Blade - Epic Revamps
Incarnadine Breastplate - Epic Revamps
Singing Steel Boots - Epic Revamps
Singing Steel Greaves - Epic Revamps

Fixed, pending update. Updated OP.

Note for dates which have yet to come (Epic Revamps), these items will automagically work. This will save time in the future of having to wait for a patch.

[nilbog]

Additions for the To-Do list.

Antonican Javelins - non-stackable until ~July 2001.
https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101559

Imbued Granite Spauldors - not usable by rogues until ~ November 2001.
https://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103863

[mostbitter]

moss covered twig needs to be changed to 2h version

[Thulack]

moss covered twig needs to be changed to 2h version

The twig doesnt get changed. It just stops dropping and i believe the branch is suppose to drop now which is the 2hb version.

[Ele]

Shit, I'm usually on top of my game, but I don't remember this one. Seems like a solid candidate for the "things that are classic that should not be implemented here" list.

Wavecrasher should probably have the 20% slow at Velious release.

As soon as this was figured out and actually used on Live (not many people did SG in the early months of Velious, Wavecrasher was rare also) it was nerfed.

Having an unresistable 70% slow procable by 6 different classes is pretty overpowering.

Anything that is not immune to Magic in Velious would be trivial once the first slow has landed.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010306.html

Fixed "Breath of the Sea". It was mistakenly set to be unresistable.

Just putting that out there for future reference.

[cyryllis]

we are here to keep things classic, or so everyone claims

so I would assume that it will be 70% slow until the appropriate time to nerf the item

Will it trivialize some content? Yes, but it is classic.

[Somekid123]

The twig doesn't get changed to 2hb version, it gets changed to Secondary only and its also retro-active nerf. I remember the first one going for 100k to some moron, then a week later it was about 10k when people realized that it gets retro'd.

[pasi]

we are here to keep things classic, or so everyone claims

so I would assume that it will be 70% slow until the appropriate time to nerf the item

Will it trivialize some content? Yes, but it is classic.

Classic within reason.

Theres a list of things like Wavecrasher and pet aggro that are just too retarded to leave in.

Wavecrashers aren't very rare. People just avoided sirens due to the whole water, cleric mobs in water, enchanter mobs piled together, etc.

[Frieza_Prexus]

we are here to keep things classic, or so everyone claims

so I would assume that it will be 70% slow until the appropriate time to nerf the item

Will it trivialize some content? Yes, but it is classic.

As strictly classic as this server is, it still embraces the rare situation where we know with 100% certainty what the devs meant at the time and exactly what they would have done had they known of the situation.

This is one of those rare times. Wavecrasher was broken due to a typo in the spell data, the devs fixed it as soon as they became aware, and the situation demonstrates the intent of the developers to have never allowed the original proc in the first place.

Allowing the original slow would be the same as recreating that time people could forage dropped loot in any zone. There's a reason they rolled the servers back 5 hours that Saturday, and a reason WC's slow got nerfed.

[Nirgon]

You'd be high on drugs to put Wavecrasher bug in for more than a day

There was also the pally epic where the proc put on an infinite duration dot that just proc'd the damage over and over and over unresistable every tick.

Took 1 slain Trakanon to hotfix.

Who is with me remembering this?

[koros]

I remember that Nirgon, but it was only 100 or 150 a tick. Pretty sure an unengaged Trakanon would outregen that?

[heartbrand]

But yet supposedly it would be within spirit of server to leave in game breaking bugs per timeline which makes no sense to me.

[Ambrotos]

You'd be high on drugs to put Wavecrasher bug in for more than a day

There was also the pally epic where the proc put on an infinite duration dot that just proc'd the damage over and over and over unresistable every tick.

Took 1 slain Trakanon to hotfix.

Who is with me remembering this?

It was Gore not trakanon.

[Nirgon]

Ah was it, and I don't know what server it was on either. I remember hearing of it on a dragon (someone told me Trak) and the nearly immediate hotfix.

[Aeolwind]

OR the Fiery Defender bug that made it hit for 1.4 million damage.
OR the Earthshaker/Riposte/Enrage/server crash bug.
OR the instant cast any right clicky bug.
OR the monk epic warpspeed attack bug.

[Fazlazen]

Ah was it, and I don't know what server it was on either. I remember hearing of it on a dragon (someone told me Trak) and the nearly immediate hotfix.

great memory lol

[nilbog]

Antonican Javelins - July 2001

Fixed, pending update. Updated OP.

[Vega]

Oh nice, you opened this thread again.

I had wanted to make the comment that there are two levels to the Singing Steel Boots change. They initially were just another clicky like the Breath of Harmony, to add another song.

March 28, 2001:
The proc starts at level 45. The new proc as of the patch is levitate song (Agilmente's Aria of Eagles) except it is self (possible group, I only know it isn't targetable and only played my bard long enough to see how worthless the new proc was so I never got in a group) only, lasts a little longer than the song of the same name, can't be procced while singing, has same casting time as all the bard songs, doesn't last nearly as long as any levitate spell that casters get. I almost liked summon water better, I'd call this a nerf but going from one worthless proc to another isn't really a step down..
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1814#m98582957838679

Then, a couple months later they changed them again.

May 14, 2001:
Hello All,

The new (re-updated) proc seems to be a ~5 min group lev buff. Very handy for sub-51 bards traviling in the dreadlands or other steep/hilly areas.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1814#m98989709894873

[whitebandit]

Antonican Javelins - July 2001

Donal's Chestplate of Mourning e.1.0 (edit 1.0) - 12/19/2000
Donal's Chestplate of Mourning e.2.0 - 02/21/2001
Cleric Velious BPs e.1.0 - 03/06/2001
Cleric Velious BPs e.2.0 - 03/14/2001



Does the Antonican Javelin thing mean we are in the July 2001 Time period right now? Isnt there supposed to be a bunch of other things added/changed to the game before That time?

[maximum]

Does the Antonican Javelin thing mean we are in the July 2001 Time period right now? Isnt there supposed to be a bunch of other things added/changed to the game before That time?

Technically, we're in the "Late 2000" time period right before Velious. http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

[nilbog]

Change 1: 20 seconds -> 30 seconds
Donal's BP is 20 seconds from Kunark -> Velious +14 days.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1960

The above thread discusses the patch message of December 19, and people confirmed the casting time was increased to 30 seconds.



http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1972
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2018

Change 2: 30 seconds and 7.5 min 1hp/tick buff preventing recast

The second change occurred about 11 weeks after Velious released. Donal's BP = 30 second cast time with the effect "Complete Heal" having a component buff that lasts 7.5 minutes, non-removable, non-dispellable, 1hp/tick preventing other Donal's BP clicks from landing as long as the buff is in place.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16622&highlight=donal%27s+nerf


Donal's Chestplate(s) finished. The first change will likely go live with Velious since there is no rule for a 14 day appearance.

[nilbog]

Also, in regards to wurmslayer

Feb 2, 2001

Quote:
The Wurmslayer will now fit in a bag.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010221a.html

Wurmslayer gtg. Updated OP.

[nilbog]

Updated, added Quivers to automagically receive haste in ~05/2001.

Could use help listing more items/changes with dates.

[Daldaen]

Donal's Chestplate(s) finished. The first change will likely go live with Velious since there is no rule for a 14 day appearance.

Consider making Donal's unclassicly nerfed like hoops were. It should not go into Velious in any version other than the final one. The number of Donal's on this server as compared to live servers at Velious release poses a huge balance problem for many Velious mobs where CH Chains and the depths of your clerics mana pool becomes much more important.

In short, letting Donals go into Velious without the blocker buff, would trivialize a huge number of mobs for the guilds with 10+ Donal's Clerics.

[Man0warr]

Agree.

[Thulack]

Daldaen;1346359]Consider making Donal's unclassicly nerfed like hoops were. It should not go into Velious in any version other than the final one. The number of Donal's on this server as compared to live servers at Velious release poses a huge balance problem for many Velious mobs where CH Chains and the depths of your clerics mana pool becomes much more important.

In short, letting Donals go into Velious without the blocker buff, would trivialize a huge number of mobs for the guilds with 10+ Donal's Clerics[/I].

All that^^

[Lostprophets]

Bixie Sword Blade Nerfed from 2/6 to 2/16 yet? :D

[Daldaen]

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010327.html

March 2001.

[maximum]

Willsapper (Velious)
Energy Sap was originally a 50% slow @ level 60 but was later changed to 35% on April 17, 2001.

Wavecrasher (Velious)
Breath of the Sea was originally a 70% slow and unresistable @ level 60 but later changed to 20% and resistable on March 6, 2001.

These changes live?

[Ele]

These changes live?


P99 started with the nerfed versions for balance issues.

[Seducio]

(mistake post for another thread)

[Tigerstyle Wutangfist]

Was enough evidence ever gathered to correct this on blue/red?


-Robe of the Spring shouldn't be dropping - only a handful ever dropped on live before it was taken out.

[Pyrocat]

Consider making Donal's unclassicly nerfed like hoops were. It should not go into Velious in any version other than the final one. The number of Donal's on this server as compared to live servers at Velious release poses a huge balance problem for many Velious mobs where CH Chains and the depths of your clerics mana pool becomes much more important.

In short, letting Donals go into Velious without the blocker buff, would trivialize a huge number of mobs for the guilds with 10+ Donal's Clerics.

This is apparently what happened, as day 1 of Green Velious has the nerfed 30 second cast time AND buff icon.

[Pyrocat]

According to evidence posted, and from what it seems like nilbog's intent, the CH shouldn't have the buff icon for almost 3 months